Yeah the Orange Sack of Shit is useful to a lot of people.
this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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Yeah, they're gloating now. But who knows, maybe Trump will backstab Putin like he backstabs everyone else. Though it's unlikely, since he seems to cower whenever he's near his Daddy Vladdy.
Trump also probably still holds a grudge against Ukraine for not manufacturing/finding dirt on Biden during the last election, or whatever the particulars were.
And don't forget his impeachment over Ukraine too. He is going to fuck them hard. I really hope Europe can pick up the slack on arms production quickly.
Trump is very unpredictable on Ukraine. He said he will support Ukraine but who knows. But some say he will withdraw support from Taiwan, which is unlikely because he never had good relations with Xi and China. As for Israel-Palestine, we know where stands on that.
For me as non-American, I am more concerned with geopolitics. I wish Trump would provide support to Ukraine. But if he doesn't, at least he will stand against China. I understand many Americans are tired of over twenty years of hawkish foreign policies with corporate and imperialist agenda, but if Trump withdraws from Europe, at least he should pivot towards China. It balances out between complete isolationism and imperialism (I believe on a case by case basis of interventionism as part of just war theory, like the US entry into World War 2 and intervention on Yougoslavia).
All those lemmy.ml people did their jobs bashing Harris to get trump elected.
I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, despite not liking a single one of the General election candidates, and I phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.
I don't blame those who sat out. The only reason I don't is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.
We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.
And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage stay disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.
Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp "free" market capitalist economy, amirite? I wish that commonality our supposed leftwing party has had with Republicans for ages, but especially since Reagan, would tell you something...
Because a society shouldn't be comfortable with an economy that by design leaves so many of its people "losing" so hard they're dying of exposure on our streets, let alone BOTH of our only 2 political parties that matter. But we aren't a society, just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other's throats fighting for the owner's ever dwindling scraps.
The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They'll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already
There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn't change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn't agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.
Which is insane for a political campaign.
We can certainly point fingers in every direction and hit someone with “fault.” We are all to blame and not to blame.
At least now we won’t have to vote any more.
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Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn't make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn't their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.
It wasn't their influence alone, of course not.
They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.
Because this influence campaign only took place on Lemmy /s
Taking a broader perspective, social media and those who manipulate it played a huge role in Trump's win. And Lemmy's part of that, like it or not.
They have accounts on all major services.
Oh please, 20 million voters that didn't vote wasn't affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.
And Xitter, and Facebook. They have those accounts too.
Nah I think it was Elon "Goebbels 2" Musk more than them. They didn't help but he should get all the credit.
Yeah the convenient takeover of the vessel people use to express opinions was certainly a huge factor in spreading pro-trump material.
Him and Joe Rogan
As far as we know, it was just one guy with a bunch of burner accounts.
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Lol y'all will never learn. This is the whole Bernie Bros cost Clinton the election. Why don't you take a look at the real reasons she never was going to win.
Because American men won’t elect a woman
That would almost be funny again. So why didn't you vote?
I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn't like her.
You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.
That’s all it takes. Manipulation in your doom scroll
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The USA just lost the cold war.
It hasn't been a cold war in Ukraine.
I guess the USSR and USA had mutually assured destruction by means other than nuclear
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Obviously. Trump is a Russian asset, always has been.
Goodbye support to Ukraine, hello to American boots on the ground in Russia
Jesus Christ that last thought hadn't even entered my head. I can't see Poland or the Baltics putting up with that though.
FML.
America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.
Time for Europe to step up.
Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they'll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.
Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.
I'm sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(
Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate much faster than it has been (with Brexit, Ukraine, trump, partnering w/ Iran, far right in Germany)
Well that's fucking terrifying. Project 1997.
RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.
I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy
The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans...
Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.
Where are the other 20million voters that didn’t show?
At home. Too lazy to do anything.
I was playing Catan online yesterday as the results were coming out, I asked the chat if anyone was from the US. Out of 4 players, 2 where from the us and one didn’t bother to go vote. I was shocked. He didn’t even have a good excuse.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Trump didn’t win…It’s the people that failed to show up.
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Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time
Of course, now that Putins biggest asset is back in place. Remember when Russia took out American agents in Russia, shortly after Trump requested a list of those people from the agencies, which was shortly after a talk with Putin that went without any witnesses?
Mission accomplished.
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