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Summary

Despite Trump’s criminal record, serial lying, and racist demagoguery, he won the 2024 US presidential election, reflecting America’s deep-seated anxieties and cultural divisions.

Trump’s celebrity persona, economic populism, and culture warrior appeals resonated with his base, while Kamala Harris faced challenges in defining herself and overcoming gender and racial biases.

The election underscores the decay of American democracy, raising concerns about the future of the nation.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 48 minutes ago

Dems punched left instead of right... Enabled a genocide and lost the support of their base.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The title is so tone deaf that made me not wanna read the rest of the article.

Kamala didn’t represent hope. She represented the “nothing will fundamentally change” stance.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They had four years to find him guilty of an insurrection, disqualify him from running, and put his ass in jail. They should not be a surprise to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The Democrats impeached him twice but there was no way he was ever going to be convicted with the Senate in its then-state. Meanwhile, his lawyers and Judge Cannon have been doing nothing but delaying until checks watch now! Unless you have an idea for speeding up the American judicial system? If there was enough support from any state to straight up not let him run, then they would have done so. But as we've seen, 40% of the American voting populace have the intelligence of a kindergartner and just votes for "the other party" when the economy isn't doing well.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Not fear, racism and fascism. Everyone who voted Trump is a piece of shit in my eyes, they all heard what he said and decided it was ok. He doesn't think I'm a human being and anyone who voted for him is the same as far as I'm concerned

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Don't forget misogyny

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Harris should have swung left and not far right. This is her doing as much as it is Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 hours ago

It happened because people are dumb. They think he’s bringing 2016-2020 prices with him. He’s not. There was dumb in the Harris campaign approach too, but that would add too much for one post. I voted for her, but even so.

And remember what’s on the slash list: social security and Medicare. How many of you 45+ people have a retirement? Anything you start now won’t be enough without the benefit of social security. Which you should get because you’ve been buying into it your entire work life.

And remember Elon? The guy said well have to learn to tighten our belts for a while. Endure some hardship. Like we haven’t been doing that already. I wonder if unions will be federally legal after he’s done.

Preexisting conditions anyone? You’re well and truly fucked.

Small business? Well. That’s not happening.

Wanna buy a house? Yea that’s still not happening either.

Rent going down? Again. No.

The list goes on.

My partner last night before he went to bed in a Benadryl induced sleep: I’m going to be spending more time in the woods if he wins. No you’re not. You’re going to be working 60hrs a week to keep up and so am I.

Which will probably be the point of the Elon Musk / Trump economy.

[–] [email protected] 219 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

It happened because Americans are easily fooled. This country has had all the evidence of what a total piece of shit this guy is, and they chose not to believe it because he played a business man on a fucking game show. It sucks for anyone who wanted to see America do well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

They weren't fooled. They knew exactly what he is.

They didn't care.

That's the fallacy that us lefties kinda fall into, that if someone was just educated enough or knew enough or could see the facts, the person would change their mind.

The thing is, this was all about trying to get back at the left and minorities. "Fuck you I don't like the changing world I want my pretend 50s universe with no blacks and gays"

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm tired of the "fooled innocent Americans" trope. Fuck that. They knew exactly what they did. Face the reality: half of Americans are now trumpists. FACE IT.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 hours ago

Yup. It's the Good German trope from the Nazi era. People knew damn well there was something awful going on.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yup. With the high likelihood that Republicans get the trifecta, this country is about to become a lot more dangerous for my kids, both LGBTQ+, because dipshits believed that a "businessman" whose businesses all fail is good for the economy.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 2 points 3 hours ago

Honestly, I’m going to laugh long and hard at the economic collapse when it comes. These fucking idiot “captains of industry” wanted this. Enjoy the results, I guess. You’ll get a few good quarters, and then absolute, complete chaos.

[–] Hideakikarate 86 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Not just the LGTBQ kids. I worry about most kids. Child labor laws were getting more shakey already. Schools and education have been suffering. Healthcare also stands to take a hit. I'm worried.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Robert Kennedy is about to be put in charge of American health care and Elon Musk om our federal budget. When Musk said next 4 years was going be tough for the majority of Americans they meant it. Yet still majority voted for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

There will be face eating leopards like no one has ever seen before

[–] vaultdweller013 10 points 6 hours ago

Honestly at least with musk theres a non zero chance he bankrupts the federal government.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If they actually move as fast as Trump has promised to, the next four years are going to be absolute chaos. Anything that relies on federal funding will be mired in uncertainty - 23 million people work for federal, state and local governments.

Edit - not to mention the tens of millions more who work for contractors and consultants who have contracts with federal, state, and local agencies

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 hours ago

Every kid's future just got worse because of the impending abolition of the EPA (among other things) and shift back to a "drill, baby, drill" approach to climate change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Plus you can kiss education goodbye you can't get an educated man to go down into a mine. Or blindly obey your authoritarian leader

[–] Skiluros 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Why do you think they are being fooled? If anything I think one of the appeal of Trump is the fact that he owns his corruption and shadiness.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

this election was lost by single issue voters not showing up.

Some of it is...understandable, albeit self-sabotaging (Gaza, for example,) others are on about abortion or the economy or immigration, taxes.

What they don't see is that there's so many issues a proper government needs to balance; and being a single-issue-voter is exactly what lets this happen. The sad truth is gaza is gonna get royally fucked now. Abortion is gonna get banned and women are gonna die; the economy is going to get wrecked so the oligarchs get to buy up all the cheap shit they want, immigrants are gonna get blamed for all of it; including the taxes because the oligarchs are too busy fucking us to pay their own damn taxes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

There are multiple causes.

The main one? Nazis. By about a trillion percent.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

this election was lost by single issue voters not showing up.

Absolutely. Look at the vote totals; not all votes are in, but Trump is actually running a few million behind his 2020 total, while Harris is 15M+ behind what Biden pulled in. Trump doesn't seem to have much more support than last time, but about 1 out of 7 voters that Biden earned did not vote this time.

The ones who did it over Gaza should prepare to be heartbroken when they see what Bibi and Trump do there next year.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

Absolutely.

And as for Gaza, they just announced dumping the MoDefense(?) because he wasn’t genocidal enough.

Announced it on election day as hopefully one last fuck-you to Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago

The people that refused to vote entirely on the basis of the Gaza have effectively shot themselves, and everyone else, in the foot.

There was never a real choice to stop Israel on the ballet, but now with Trump in office, even deescalation is off the cards.

It must be great for these folks to be able to wash their hands of it like Ponchus Pilot, whilst Trump gives Israel the go-ahead to annhilate the people of Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Voter: Why does the economy suck so bad?

MAGA: Because brown people.

Harris: You're crazy, the economy is doing better than ever!

Simple as.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Her economic plan literally led off by saying they know prices are too high for most middle class people. This like that she was saying it was better than ever is just ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Don't call it fear. It's hate. Plain and simple hate.

They hate minorities.

They hate women.

They hate lgbt+.

They hate anyone that's "not like them".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

they also hate themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Well, they have a good goddamn reason for that.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Even worse, it appears that Republicans have also managed to win majorities in the Senate and House. While thin, those majorities are enough that we can expect some of the Republican priorities to start getting passed. My major question for the first six months of 2025 will be, does the filibuster survive? I know many folks on the left wanted to kill it, when Republican Senators were using it to obstruct anything more progressive than not kicking puppies. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, will the left suddenly fall back in love with the filibuster? I suspect so. I also suspect that the MAGA wing of the GOP is going to be keen to kill the filibuster the first time it gets in the way of their project. And I wonder where the less dickish members of the GOP will come down on the issue.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

They will kill the filibuster because they don't foresee Dems ever holding power again for some reason. I wonder what that reason could be...

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[–] xmunk 45 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

It happened because the DNC is detached from the concerns of Americans. They're certainly better than the alternative but they have become extremely complacent.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I think its half that. The Dems need a reckoning.

But the other half is that they don't play dirty like Trump. They don't understand that engagement is all that matters, lying does not, because us Americans have the critical thinking ability of an ant.

If they want to win, they need their own reality distortion field.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The Dems got a reckoning in 2016 when their career politician Hillary Clinton lost to Trump.

Nothing is going to shake them out of their ways.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Democrats suck at politics. Frustrating when their candidates are the only ones that come even close to aligning with my values.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It is simple. The economy and the media.

Call it selfish, but most people are more concerned with their own well being and that of their families than anything external. They don't see Gaza, climate change, or abortion in the grocery store, they see prices that are massively higher than they were during Trump. You can try to explain how economics works, how tarrifs are a bad idea, how inflation is actually down, but to many that's just noise and why should they trust these economists over anyone else. Their lived experience is that, excluding covid, life was more affordable under Trump.

Take a look at the most popular cable channels and you see Fox news. Look at podcasts and there is Joe Rogan. Social media is arguably better, but X and Facebook are still big and skew right, plus the others are ripe for disinformation campaigns and bots. A large number of Americans regularly consume a diet of right wing propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Trump didn't get any more votes than last time.

He won because the Democrats lost.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

I wonder what people think of Musk's investment in Twitter now? He lost a ton of money, but it's pocket change to him, and now he will get a prime government job which he will use to his advantage to get more government contracts.

He literally bought his way into power, without needing to run for office himself.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The decision to seek re-election by President Biden’s inflated sense of self-importance cost us.

It would have been prudent for him to adhere to his previous commitment and serve a single term, allowing the Democratic Party to conduct its primaries without undue interference. The Harris campaign’s very late entry into the race was premature and potentially detrimental to the party’s chances of success.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

The Harris campaign turned out great initially.

They fucked it up immediately by saying they weren't going to be any different from Biden on Gaza and that was one of the wedge topics that had been created about Biden.

Rather than compromise with the electorate to get people out to vote, they tried to use Trump to bully voters out of the house saying he'd be worse.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

They fucked it up immediately by saying they weren't going to be any different from Gaza on Biden and that was one of the wedge topics that had been created about Biden.

I don't think Gaza specifically was decisive here. It could've been with a thinner majority, but Harris lost before Michigan finished counting and Trump is collecting swing states like MTG cards. The way I see it, this isn't the result of one unpopular policy, but rather a wider campaign failure that destroyed Democrat voter enthusiasm.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Maybe, but I strongly suspect that there were enough other things going in Trump's favor that if she'd broken with Biden on Gaza--which is not nearly as easy as you make it sound--then we would have still ended up in the same place, except that different people would now be blaming her for that decision.

(Just to be clear, I am not saying that her campaign was flawless, only that it is easy to second guess.)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago

Are the bots and trolls here, or do they just stop when the objective is reached?

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