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Fans Cancel Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Pre-Orders Because of Denuvo. (80.lv)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

I skipped buying Death Loop despite a decent sale on steam just yesterday because of denuvo.

It also made me more glad I just dropped Xbox game pass because that client didn't show it used it at all (or if it did, I didn't notice it), and it was on my wishlist because I had been playing it via game pass.

I wonder how many sales publishers leave on the table because of denuvo (both from people boycotting denuvo and from the lack of free advertising piracy gives) vs how many sales it generates because someone couldn't pirate a game instead of buying it.

Like my own experience with this is when I was playing pirated games, I picked games based on availability of a pirated version. If there was a specific game I wanted to play, I might have looked for it, but failing to find it wouldn't have meant I was headed to the store for it.

I later bought some of my favorite games after playing the pirated version. Great games made me want to give the devs money. Plus, people tend to talk about games they love, and others who hear about it might not go looking for a free version.

So all that makes me wonder if those who use denuvo are just paying extra for something that just hurts their sales instead of helping.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

I'll just wait for it to show up DRM-free on GOG at a discount ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

They're not getting any of my money if they keep Denuvo. As always, I'll just play something else.

[–] weker01 2 points 3 hours ago

Does that mean proton will not work?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Imagine still pre-ordering games in 2024

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

Looks up from Shadow Generations Yeah the censorship of the Sonic portion sucks, but that's not what I'm here for, that's what I was here for in 2010. Shadow 2 bahbee!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

(I apologize for the really long comment.)

I still pre-order, but I'm very selective. I only pre-order games I am 100% sure I'll enjoy it.

If something comes up in the months before release that makes me question whether I'll enjoy the game or not, goodbye pre-order.

There's also very few companies and franchises I trust enough to pre-order from. They're mainly the Kingdom Hearts (but only the "main" games; I'm not buying that rhythm game) and Persona (also only the main games, not the spin-offs) series. I also pre-ordered Metaphor (because I trust Atlus as a developer after having played all three games in the modern Persona series, and because I liked what I saw in trailers and what I played in the demo) and am actually enjoying it more than Persona.

To put it another way, I pre-order games from developers and directors I 100% trust to deliver a good game that I will enjoy immensely. Any less than that, and I will not pre-order. Like I said, I'm very selective. If I haven't played anything from the developer before, I won't pre-order. If they've broken my trust in some way, I won't pre-order. If I don't like what I see in the trailers or what I hear in the interviews, I won't pre-order. If I see that DRM will negatively impact my play experience (which admittedly doesn't have much of a chance of happening since I rarely play on PC), I won't pre-order.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

But why? Why do you pre-order? Does it gain you something that waiting until the launch date doesn't provide?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

If I can, I try to get my pre-orders through Best Buy's in-store pickup, which means I can simply walk in the store and pickup my order. It's essentially the same as going in and buying the game on launch day, except I'm guaranteed a copy that I've already paid for. If I don't pre-order, there's a chance the store either won't get any copies by release day or they may sell out of them by the time I get there after work.

Also, try as I might, there's been several times where I haven't been able to get a copy from Best Buy for one reason or another. That leaves Amazon as my only choice. So, in that case, pre-ordering means I'll get my package on launch day, typically in the early afternoon.

So, for me, it's less about the pre-order bonuses and more about the logistics. I want to play a game on the day it comes out. I've usually planned to have free time specifically to play the game on release. So pre-ordering means I spend less time looking for a copy of a game I already know 100% that I'll enjoy and more time actually playing the game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

This makes sense, you get physical copies! I haven't purchased a physical copy in so long it didn't even occur to me. Thanks for the explanation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They still sell physical copies of games? TIL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, it's still pretty common for big publishers to sell their games physically. Games from smaller devs that self-publish are usually only sold digitally, though they can sometimes end up getting published physically later on if they get popular enough.

Edit: Or were you talking about Best Buy and Amazon selling physical games?

[–] CanadianCarl 2 points 12 hours ago

I am also curious.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Cyberpunk 2077.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

That's actually a good example of a game I initially pre-ordered but then cancelled because I didn't like what I saw in later trailers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

addendum: Denuvo is sick of “toxicity,” says people only hate it because it works

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I hate it because it's just a sign of disrespect of the publisher towards the legitimate customers. Guess who has a better experience when the DRM goes to shit or slows down the game? Those who didn't pay.

I just won't be part of the first customers, I'll wait for the game to be cleaned up of this bs.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 16 hours ago

If driving away sales counts as "it works", then good for them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago

I learned it the hard way by buying Shadow of the Tomb Raider after pirating and liking it, the same PC ran the legit version like shit, I bet they only have nasa PCs over there to test the DRM on.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If people only hated it because it works, paying customers wouldn't be cancelling their preorders!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

That's the key here. People who were willing to pre-pay for the game ahead of time are clearly not the target of the DRM, and yet they're the ones choosing to cancel their purchase. It's not pirates complaining because they want to play the game for free, it's people who were looking forward to buying the game.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 19 hours ago

People are voting with their wallets. They were willing to buy it. But this effects them and made the game no longer worth it. Pirates will pirate regardless. But you just lost some of the genuine customers by effecting them, pirates will have a "better" version.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I won't lie and say this is what's going to stop me from buying the game, because my computer not being able to run it was going to stop me from buying the game. So symbolically I'm with them I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Maybe by the time you update, they'll have removed Denuvo and you'll have the best of both worlds.

[–] Kecessa 144 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The mistake was pre-ordering in the first place

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (4 children)

While I agree, we shouldn't criticize people for learning and changing for the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

And it does send a signal.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

We've had decades of pre-order shenanigans, you'd think every gamer and their mother would know to avoid them by now.

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[–] fsxylo 19 points 23 hours ago

Shh, if denuvo is what finally makes them learn then let's just let it play out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago

Will wait for crack then 👍

[–] GhiLA 88 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I'm still gonna play it. This just changes whether I pay for it or not.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

The one you find while treasure hunting runs better anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The first game sold millions without any drm. Naturally, they had to add denuvo for the second game.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Their publisher was bought by Embracer shortly after the release of Kingdom Come Deliverance, maybe they're to blame here.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys 7 points 13 hours ago

Fucking Embracer. They're a cancer on the industry

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I can’t wait for the day when Denuvo ends up scaring away more legitimate customers than it actually helps to sell the game. It seems like we are slowly getting there :')

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

I can't wait until some major vulnarability in Denuvo pops up and either gets widely exploited or AV programs start to warn against it due to security risks

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