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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The more I think about the Jonkler 2 the more I realize just how good it was. People say it’s done as a reaction to the first film, that it tries to back away from the type of people who related it to it. If anything, I thought it doubled down on its messaging, only that it actually spelled it out in this movie.

This movie is bleak, one of the most depressing films I’ve seen maybe ever, and it truly had a lasting, saddening effect on me. While the first was entertaining in its escapism, this one is relentless in pushing the idea of pure despair. Over and over again it tries to reminds you there is no virtue to mentall illness, there is no glamour, and there is zero hope for anything better for anyone afflicted with it in this country. It feels like whiplash to people, as if it’s completely disjointed from the first but damn, I think it makes duology a masterpiece.

The saddest thing is that the first had to make like a billion dollars, under the guise of cape shit, for this one to be made.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I recently listened to a review of the film on the Pod Damn America podcast which expressed somewhat similar sentiments.

I was surprised by the generally poor reviews coming out after hearing this review which praised it for portraying a more sober and somber depiction of mental illness than what audiences had expected.

I have yet to see either the original or this sequel, but I'll admit the more favorable reviews of this sequel make me want to set aside a few hours to give them some attention.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I think both movies are worth it. The second one appears to have less mass appeal, but I thought it was a great movie. I think in time this movie will be rehabilitated by the general public and you'll have people who are bashing it now saying they always liked it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can make more money with a flop than with a hit!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I get this reference

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Imagine making 20 millions as a director to lose 200

[–] imaqtpie 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Meh the director already got paid. Producers are taking the monetary hit on this one. Probably won't be a good sign for the director's career moving forward though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'm sure he'll survive, somehow.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Yes, the director definitely got his salary, but the money is still going to be lost by the studio

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Fuck it, I’d do it for $2 mil.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean he also made the first one that made a billion.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah it would have worked if they waited another 5 years before trying to beat the horse for nostalgia value. They were impatient.

People saw the first film as a novel concept with a new exciting take on a classic character. People are going to see the sequel as something... not fresh.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exciting is not a word I would use to describe the Joker movie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

From stairs dancing to shooting talk show hosts, I think a lot of people would disagree with you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The penguin origin story is another shoe-in I feel. I don't see it mentioned often. Is it decent it drab?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, the Penguin is actually really good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I see, thnx!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In an interview Todd Philips said he and Joaquin had no plans for a second movie until Joaquin had a dream about doing a second movie

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe dreams should actually remain memes.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

I liked the movie a lot.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

It was actually not bad. It stumbled on the ending but did a lot of things well for the DC universe’s « La La Land. »

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I haven’t seen it but was looking forward to it until I heard it’s a musical. Just why

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apparently the director didn’t want to do a sequel so he came up with a bad idea that he thought the studio would never go for, but they did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have heard this too, but I think it could also be that the director kinda got lucky with the first movie. I enjoyed the first movie, but it didn’t really feel original, it just seemed to borrow ideas from other movies and those ideas just worked cohesively enough. None of Todd Phillips other movies feel that original either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey, completely unrelated, but based on your username you might like [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Thank you, and subscribed

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Didn't even know this movie had been announced until I'd heard it was bombing. I never watched the first one so odds were pretty slim I'd have seen it anyway.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I did watch it, although I had been warned. I figured the calls of it being a musical had to be inflated - they weren't. If you cut the singing, you'll have about half the runtime.

That in and of itself isn't even bad, albeit not my cup of tea. However what really annoyed me, was that NOTHING happened. It was basically a slice of psychic ward life story. One with an explosive but blue-balled ending. It was basically just the script writers trying to make Lady Gaga sing a lot - well a job well done I suppose.

It actually annoys me a lot, because the cast was great and delivered exceptionally well in their acting. The premise and setting also had a lot of potential, but what we got was more of an art-house low-budget movie with great actors but terrible script

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A psychic ward? Now that would make for an interesting story. Joker can now see into the future.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's okay. In a year or two they'll call it a "cult classic" and make another anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

No, they won't. It'll never be a cult classic.