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Was trying to read a news story and... What fresh shitfuckery is this? Why do I now have to pay money to a company just for the privilege of not being spied upon and not getting your cookies that I don't want or need? How is this even legal?

RE: "Why are you even reading that shitrag?" -- I clicked on a link someone posted in another sublemmit, didn't realise it was the Sun till after. I do not read the Sun on the regular, chill. My point stands regardless that this is extremely shitty and should probably not be allowed.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

the Sun would personally sell your organs if it could

[–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago

Oh no. It's not like that. They don't even ask you about cookies any more.

This is a payment so they don't sell all your cookie data to their 1354 trusted data partners/advertising vultures.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago

I find it amusing that they "use cookies to give you the best possible experience", but then ask you to pay to not have them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

LibreWolf (which doesn't store any cookies or other website data by default, unless you allow it) + I still don't care about cookies or Consent-O-Matic

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Hm... Was gonna try Arkenfox one of these days tbh.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago

No you don't.

The site is trash so you leave.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The best part of this is you would need to give them your personal information to pay them, and you'd need to accept the necessary cookies for them to know you've paid when you access the website. 🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

you'd need to accept the necessary cookies for them to know you've paid when you access the website

Cookies that are required for and only used for operational purposes (like knowing if the user is logged in) don't require consent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah fair enough, I was just highlighting the irony.

[–] [email protected] 181 points 1 day ago (4 children)

OP, The Sun is one of the trashiest rags on the face of this Earth. Your best option regardless of their ad practices was always to stay well away from them.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh I know, I clicked a link here on lemmy and was taken to that site. I never read it otherwise, but now Im definitely not reading it...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

you can block websites if you want if you’re on voyager. It’ll filter out posts which link to whatever websites you list.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Radical approach, because I might miss the post with interesting comments, and people often provide alternative links or straight up embed summaries.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

Time for 12ft.io I guess.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm pretty sure this is illegal under GDPR. They're just seeing how long they can get away with it for, before they have to apologise and get no punishment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

Unfortunately, at least in Germany it's legal. There was a special ruling recently.

(Link in German)

https://www.datenschutzkonferenz-online.de/media/pm/DSK_Beschluss_Bewertung_von_Pur-Abo-Modellen_auf_Websites.pdf

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm seeing this kind of thing on an ever increasing number of sites in Germany. It's especially galling on sites I already pay a subscription fee for! Isn't that enough? Now I'm supposed to pay another monthly subscription to avoid tracking cookies?

I've already cancelled one news website due to this, letting them know why (they're small enough that I know they read it, since it was part of a conversation). Fat lot of good it'll do, but ....

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Indeed. There must be no downside to clicking no. Consent must be freely given.

Although I'd argue almost nobody complies with the spirit of the law. Popping up a consent form every time you visit unless you accidentally click accept and then never asking you again doesn't feel like consent was truly given.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

This appears to be a US specific website, where they could get away with the geoblocking technique to bypass gdpr

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Sadly it is not, as you need to pay to access content by money or pay by viewing ads.

Facebook uses the same model.

If you don't want the "premium content" by paying with way 1 or way 2, you can't use the site.

This will end up being a final nail in the coffin for these sites, I wish.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It asks to play DRM content but plays videos anyway.

Their devs must be so sick of their business dept.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I'd be surprised if it was just the business department...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

you get ads whether pay or not. keep your money

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A naive question of mine, but isn't using a browser/extensions that silently/transparently blocks cookies (such as Brave, but not just it) enough to fearlessly click "Accept All Cookies", since ultimately they would be pointless for the purpose of tracking (due to the browser's own cookie blocking capabilities)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Yeah it would. But as I said elsewhere, this is probably enough to be 'too much effort' for the majority of users, and definitely a lot more effort than it should be. I already know several people who habitually click accept all on cookie banners, and I know I have caught myself doing that a couple times too...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

This is a legitimate option per EU guidelines btw. They just want you to accept cookies.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the EU rejected this. Facebook tried the exact same thing except the paid version has no ads at all (so either you get tracked, or you pay for an ad-free untracked experience) and the EU's initial findings were that it wasn't compliant because every user should have the freedom to opt out of tracking without having to pay. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-union-says-meta-breaking-digital-rules-with-paid-ad-free-option-for-facebook-and-instagram

Having said that, Brexit happened so I don't know if the UK still follows the same laws.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

EU Withdrawal Act effectively retained all applicable EU law as UK law so anything would have to be specifically rescinded after that.

I don't think anything's changed wrt gdpr

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am really fucking sick and tired of every goddamn company thinking they're entitled to colonize my property and hack it to serve them instead of me.

My computer is my property, you fascist fucks, not yours, and my actual property rights trump your Imaginary "Property" "rights" (i.e. temporary government-granted privileges) every single time and in every single circumstance!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Not any factor lotion will protect your mental health from "the Sun" o_O

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why are you trying to read the Sun? Brain cancer is a terrible disease. Don't do this to your family.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Solution: don't read that shitrag. It was always a waste of paper, now it is a waste of bandwidth as well.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

"To change all cookie settings click_here" <-- this is the bit you want. It's free to reject all the cookies yourself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don't think I've ever had 63 tabs open on my browser. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, my phone has 12Gb of RAM for a reason, and bookmarks are scawy...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

More rams than a shepard. Respect.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Really? I regularly have well over 100, constant ♾️ Don't get me wrong, I wish I didn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Mad lad, hats off to you. If I have 6 or more open I start to feel uncomfortable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I had 1600 open in Firefox on my computer (and maybe 200 on my phone) until I decided enough is enough and closed all of them. These days I close every tab at the end of the day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How is this even legal?

Because Brits voted Brrrrexit?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We still have the UK implementation of GDPR. That didn’t go away when we left the EU.

We won’t have any changes to it that might have happened since brexit but we didn’t remove the law either.

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