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Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

North Korean military engineers have been deployed to help Russia target Ukraine with ballistic missiles, and North Koreans operating in occupied areas of Ukraine have already been killed, senior officials in Kyiv and Seoul said.

There are dozens of North Koreans behind Russian lines, in teams that "support launcher systems for KN-23 missiles", a source in Ukraine told the Guardian.

Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, last year travelled to Russia for a summit with Vladimir Putin where the two men bolstered their deepening ties with a secret arms deal.

Pyongyang's ammunition shipments were vital in allowing Russian forces to advance in a grinding war of attrition in eastern Ukraine this summer. But it appears increasingly clear that the agreement went beyond supplying materiel.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

It’s going to be hilarious when Russia N. Korea and china have to pull there entire economy together to fight this one little nation and Ukraine ends up marching on every single capital.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Hilarious? It would be literally fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That sounds like an epic session of Civ V.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

Yet it is absolutely imperative french troops stray far away 🤡

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Imagine being an educated Russian 45 year old conscript fighting next to malnourished north koreans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

This isn't new, there have been north Korean work camps in inside of Russia for decades. It's convict leasing on a troubling international level.

[–] TheMightyCanuck 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are we assuming the Russian conscript has a higher degree of education than the north Korean?

They're both totalitarian shitholes shoving their own version of lies down their citizens throats.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

There are FAR, FAR more well educated Russians than there are North Koreans, let alone Educated North Koreans.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (10 children)

There were reports of Russian soldiers in Ukraine not knowing what an "Automatic Toilet" was. They're grabbing people from so far in the boonies, that they bring in buckets of water to flush their toilets. That also means that either Russian barracks don't have toilets or they're shipping their forces to the front lines without any training.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They are worlds apart yes. Russia actually has an amazing academia network that is suffering greatly from Putins politics. Most recently seen by hundreds of academics having to stop their collaboration with CERN because of the war. Compared to NK, Russia is just a normal country with lots of IT and science nerds.

However if you look at the US and their rural MAGA population, it shows that there can just be a massive rift within the population. And thats what you have in Russia too i would assume.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Much of the respect we have for Russian education goes back to the excellent STEM education they had in the Soviet days. This has largely been eroded away in modern times, and much of the technology and infrastructure they have are being held together by Soviet educated older folks.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

We've had Russians, North Koreans, and Indians fighting in Ukraine with Chinese supplied weapons against Ukrainians armed with American, Polish, German, British, and other European weapons in a war that's been going on for nearly two years.

Can we call it a World War yet?

Or are we just going to refuse to use the word until nukes are dropped?

We can also throw in the Middle Eastern theater for good measure too if that's not enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I think, its time to get even with them. Just deploy some NATO member Staates troops to Ukraine. I guess Putin wont be complaining too much about it

[–] gravitas_deficiency 48 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I’d say the situation is a lot closer to the Spanish Civil War, tbh. A lot of countries sent expeditionary forces and volunteers to assist one side or the other, including Russia and Nazi Germany (who kinda used the conflict as a proving ground for the concept of combined arms doctrine we know as “blitzkrieg”).

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems to me that it's just part of the proxy war that the world powers have been fighting pretty much constantly in an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia kind of way since 1945.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Orwellian comparison hits here

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But it isn't a world war. The only ones in conflict are Russia and Ukraine. You wouldn't say that the US was fighting Nazi Germany when they booted up the lend-lease. The rest of the countries supplying Ukraine with arms are just doing so under international law, not as participants in the war.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We didn't call the cold war a world war and that wasn't in a single country

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not until there are NATO boots on the ground, or NATO recognizes it is at war. Russia is already saying it is, NATO just didn't get the memo yet I guess.

You are right in saying Russia kinda made it a world war. I guess with just the one front it just doesn't feel like it.

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