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Greta Thunberg is declared a violent participant for her pro Palestine demonstrations. (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Edited later to add:

The original press release seems to be gone now, but here is what is claimed to be the revised release, and an article on the same topic.

https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/polizei-dortmund-greta-gewaltbereit-100.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-politician-calls-greta-thunberg-102611513.html

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[–] [email protected] 281 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

The reason you don't hear about Greta anymore is because she didn't let her conscience stop at climate change. She's a left wing activist fighting for social justice in all things.

The rich will mold her image in history the same way they did for MLK, leaving out all the aspects of her politics that make them squirm.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Same reason we immortalized the child version of Helen Keller. Though she lived to 87.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or the Diary of Ann Frank. Easier to control the narrative around children than to discuss the politics of grown adults.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Could you elaborate?

I never realized that, and it is kind of messed up. Although I suppose the main thing that happened for her happened as a child, the story of how she came to understand that words had meaning, starting with "water." I suppose I don't hardly know anything about the rest of her life.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Happily, when Helen was a young woman she assumed blindness to be a misfortune. A cruel test from God that nobody could control. Then she was appointed to a body that advocated for the affairs of the blind. And was faced with the stark reality that much of the blindness in the world was caused by people. Industrial accidents and chemical exposures often caused by the greed and selfishness of the owning class and the minimal protection afforded to citizens who didn't merit the governments protection. So she joined the wobblies, the IWW.

From which she soon became one of the most radical members.

In her own words from an interview with Barbara Bindley with the New York tribune, 1915

"What are you committed to - education or revolution?"

"Revolution." She answered decisively. "We can't have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now."

"I am not for peace at all hazards. I regret this war, but I never regretted the blood of the thousands spilled during the French Revolution. And the workers are learning how to stand alone. They are learning a lesson they will apply to their own good out in the trenches. Generals testify to the splendid initiative the workers in the trenches take. If they can do that for their masters you can be sure they will do that for themselves when they have taken matters into their own hands."

"Don't forget the workers are getting their discipline in the trenches," Miss Keller continued. "They are acquiring the will to combat."

And thus her statue

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

I assume they're referring to her being an outspoken socialist as an adult.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

The thing than never fails to make me laugh are "fuck greta" stickers on cars or bikes. Especially if it's a little VW golf.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Conscience*

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Lol, early morning swipe typing.

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[–] [email protected] 209 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes. Greta is well known for her violent tendency to be limply carried away by police from protests where she stands there...violently. have you seen the graphic photos of police carrying her away? It's a wonder they survive the encounter.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Attacking our batons with your shoulder blades and our pepper spray with your faces.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You said it. Shoulder BLADES

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's kinda what I was thinking. That lady and her terrorism have gone too far!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Exactly. That's the first picture that came to my mind immediately. I describe it rather peaceful.

[+] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago (14 children)

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The news in Germany is also shockingly biased. Obviously things like the Bild were going to be, but even on more mainstream news, you don’t hear about Palestinian casualties, nor do you hear interviews with Palestinians or Israelis against of the war (at most you get an Israeli who’s slightly critical of methods, but still thinks Israel should be actively defending itself). If you’re a German who doesn’t look at international sources for news, it would be very strange not to support Israel, based on what you’re hearing. It’s infuriating, but it’s also difficult to change. I don’t know what it would take for the German media to stop supporting them.

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[–] lurch 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It's not a good environment to protest.

[–] _cnt0 26 points 2 months ago

German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.

As a German: Our government, as an apology, is letting the Israeli government do a genocide of their own. You were so close, and then you took the anti-semitic turn by referring to "the jews" :(

However, also as a German: While I do absolutely wish Israel was forced to stop the atrocities they commit, and pay reparations, I believe that - given our specific history with the state of Israel and what Germans did to the Jewish population of Europe just ~80 years ago, there are plenty of states in the world that are better candidates to take an aggressive political stance towards Israel, before Germany does.

Some of us are still very much committed to absolutely defending the absolute right of Israel to exist as a state, while also (albeit sadly less of us) there are people who at the same time see the war crimes committed by the Israeli army and secret services against civilian populations of Gaza & Lebanon.

But the German government can not just take the side of Palestinians here, not because the current Israeli administration does not belong in jail, but because there are those who will - should the pendulum swing to the other side again - ask for revenge / war on Israel / commit crimes against Israeli civilians. Or, as we already see, use the violence in the middle east to justify hate crimes against Israelis or Jewish people in other countries.

Those who do the killing are evil on both sides, and those who do the suffering and dying are mostly not the same group of people - neither in Israel, nor in Gaza or Lebanon.

Long story short - Germany is stuck between a rock and a hard place in this, and it is MUCH easier for virtually any other country in the world to speak on behalf of the Palestinians. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out, but I can understand why German politicians are very carefully weighing their options on this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The concern is legitimate, but it falls into the same "never again - to us" pit Israel fell into. Another potential framing one could take of the issue - one I feel is more helpful - would go something like: 80 years ago, the world got together to help save Germany from itself, and it's time to return the favor, hopefully before it gets completely out of hand like last time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It'd be a good take on this, but there are still too many people in the world that fall for hypocrisy when one side is lying through their teeth and the other is calling out the bullshit and saying things as they are. Too many people will side with the liars who would claim that Israel is acting in self-defense and fighting "terrorists".

Edit: I had to reword a few sentences (previous and next), because it seemed as if I was talking about liars on the one hand, and nazi parties on the other, as if they weren't one and the same - that is absolutely not what I meant, I just reworded too much and then read it myself and thought "oh damn".

I admit that the higher risk in Germany right now is the anti-"brown people", putin-loving piece of shit nazi party (AfD, in case you were wondering, but CDU/CSU comes close), and not any anti-semitic party. So I guess calling out Israeli war crimes wouldn't come with an immediate risk of a rise in anti-semitism.

I guess that's also the problem here. Palestinians are seen as "brown people" and the post 2001 hate-filled news escalation has deepened the deeply ingrained racism in many parts of European societies. So among our political parties (and I don't see a difference from most European countries), none is really vocal about the crimes against humanity being committed in Gaza and Lebanon. And previously Syria. And Iraq. And Afghanistan. And before that Iran. Notice a pattern?

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[–] index 76 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Imagine declaring violent someone for their demonstrations against a genocide

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

This is how it works these days. And in a convenient framing, antizionism has disappeared from the MSM vocabulary. It's all antisemitism now.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Greta is an absolute freak.

Her basic decency, which I have to assume is some kind of random genetic mutation, risks putting our species in a forgivable light.

Not cool Greta. You could at least throw some trash on the ground or something to fit in.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

wow I never would've thought Germany to be in favor of genocide. I guess there's a first for everything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Feels a bit like a cheater letting their spouse be abusive to them because they feel so guilty for cheating. Germany fucked up so they're going to let the victim do whatever, even if what the victim is doing is wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

I get where they're coming from since you could consider her voice as a weapon. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, the kids are talking. They gotta unshit this goddamn world since everyone before either stopped trying or advocated to make things worse.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

The press release has since been updated and a correction issued:

https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/4971/5882017

The assembly leader of the Palestine protest camp informed the Dortmund police today that Ms. Greta Thunberg wanted to visit the assembly in Emil-Figge-Straße. Following an examination by Dortmund Police Headquarters, the latter issued an order banning the camp.

The Dortmund police carried out a risk assessment for the assembly. The announced visit by Ms. Thunberg led to the conclusion that there would be more people at the venue than stated in the assembly registration. The time frame specified in the assembly confirmation would also have been exceeded. The recent events in connection with Thunberg were taken into account in the assessment. After intensive examination as part of a risk assessment, the Dortmund police headquarters ordered the ban and the associated dissolution of the assembly.

The assembly leader announced on site that the assembly had ended and arranged for the camp to be dismantled.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mossad's Epstein files must be wild.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Greta is a shining light of inspiration for every autistic person out there. I was in my mid-30s when she rose to prominence and I want to say that when I grow up I want to be her...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

She gonna get the Julian Asange treatment

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In my fantasies, Greta becomes the most feared revolutionary - like a new age Boudica, and sets the world to rights in a rampage of justice.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The press agency removed that part now and calls it a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Oh well it's like it never happened then!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I personally wouldn't mind if protests she support get violent, like really fight the operative systems destroying humanity and ecosystems.

I would not prefer it, but def wouldn't mind, in fact I would still support them. Actually, statistically speaking, non-violent protests arent really effective and still get shut down with violence.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

She does get a bit tasty with the old knuckle dusters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well they have jumped the shark now.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's funny that when misusing words (and laws, which are again words) if they actually literally turned violent, like organised crime or paramilitary force, how wound they classify them then?

Oh, ... oh no, they would be classified terrorists, wouldn't they? (Even without using terror attacks on civilians)
I say 'oh no' bcs that is the next word they are gonna use when they still protest peacefully:
"The violent terrorists have brutally sat down & displayed extremely polarising signs about ending genocide, some of the sitting down terrorists even forced the police to use force in self-defence."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I could take her

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