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Google now requires JavaScript (midwest.social)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Just started getting this now. Hopefully it's some A/B testing that they'll stop doing, but I'm not holding my breath

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[–] [email protected] 278 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I hate how these kinds of messages never explain WHY. It's just "Do it. Do what we tell you." 💀

[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 months ago (4 children)

BOW TO YOUR MASTERS, AND SUCK OUR DICK!!!!

I remember 10 years ago looking at a calculator app in the android app store, and seeing the permissions. And thinking "WHY THE FUCK DOES A CALCULATOR NEED MY LOCATION, AND ACCESS TO MY PHONE CONTACTS???"

Fuck THAT.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What dick? pretty sure it's fallen off from all the STD's.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

For ads, tracking and spying of course.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Probably because 99.999% of users already use JS and dedicating a web page to it is already more work than they needed to put into it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's just to avoid explaining why, and how they harvest your data. That said, I also hate how a lot of errors of the big corpo are just like "This site has an error" no error-code, no further feedback what to do etc.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Because they dont need to

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Google is no longer a Search Engine. It is a commerce/purchase search. It's nothing more than ads and corporate results to purchase goods & services. Google Shopping has taken over Google.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 months ago

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/

[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

DuckDuckGo doesn't ;)

By the way, in my browser, the title of this post shows up as

Google now requires Javascript in c/mildlyinfuriating

which shocked me a little.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sundar Pichai is the admin for this community, didn't you know?

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[–] csm10495 67 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I know this may come off as a surprise: but I imagine that requiring JS in 2024 isn't a big deal to most people.

Now of course Lemmy skews more into that small crowd.

I don't blame any website for requiring JS for full functionality in 2024.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Google is a text input and a list of links. It should work without JS.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

All of the people replying to this saying you shouldn't need JS are totally unaware how modern web development works.

Yes, you could do many sites without JS, but the entire workforce for web development is trained with JS frameworks. To do otherwise would slow development time down significantly, not allow for certain functionality to exist (functionality you would 100% be unhappy was missing).

Its not a question of possibility, its a question of feasibility.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

For full functionality sure. For basic functionality no. Searching on Google is basic functionality I'd say.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I love that society is basically stratifying into groups based on tech knowledge - it all seems very Cyberpunk.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (10 children)

As someone with technical knowledge sometimes I get locked out of things because I block ads or refuse Javascript. For instance, I had to turn off my pihole so I could sign into my Microsoft account to play Minecraft. Or the times I encounter a website that breaks on Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Microsoft Minecraft login thing is getting pretty insane.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You're still using Google search?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes, yeah. My default is DDG, and I also use Kagi, but Google is still good at some stuff. Guess I'll take the hit and just stop using it completely though. Kagi has been good enough, and also lets me search the fediverse for finding that dank meme I saw last week. Google used to be able to do that, but can't shove as many ads in those queries I assume, so they dropped that ability.

[–] PennyRoyal 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Use the bangs in DDG, eg !g asks DDG to search google

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yep. I use Noscript and DDG Lite by default. Just putting into duckduckgo: !g will search google without having to turn JS on...looks like Duckduckgo wins again, even when it comes to using google, lol.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Who still uses Google? DDG has been way better for a long while now. Join the duck side.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

searxng? Anyone?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Uses Bing results.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago

So that's why it's so good at finding porn.

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[+] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

  <form method="GET" action="https://duckduckgo.com/">
    <input name="q" type="text"/>
    <button type="submit">Go</button>
  </form>

This is a fully functional search bar. This is all it needs to be. It doesn't need Javascript, only if you want suggestions.

The last time I checked, Google still works if you simply pass your query in the URL using the q variable. Google has no need to enforce Javascript.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Just use SearXNG.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I like the SearX search engine. It gives old-school, relevant search results, not google ranked ones.

https://search.inetol.net/

It's also spread out over many separate instances, so you can pick the one that best suits your search needs:

https://searx.space/

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Use LibreX or a fork called LibreY, it's a JS-free proxy for Google search

There's a list of instances at https://librey.org/instances.php

Something similar exists for DuckDuckGo btw, it's called 4get

Or you can just use SearXNG, a meta search engine that aggregates results from multiple sources

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[+] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A lot of the web is powered by JS, but much less of it needs to be. Here's a couple of sites that are part of a trend to not unnecessarily introduce it:

http://youmightnotneedjs.com/

https://htmx.org/

The negative implications for Google requiring JS is that they will use it to track everything possible about you that they can, even down to how you move your cursor, or how much battery you have left on your phone in order to jack up prices, or any other number of shitty things.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Htmx does use javascript under the hood, but just makes it so the developer can use html markdown for more a more interactive environment that's driven sever side. So the initial page load should render, but UI elements might not work as intended.

htmx is more a move back to REST as it was originally defined (aka not json backend).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

No offense intended, but why are you still using Google? Startpage has anonyomized results from Google. DuckDuckGo is good enough for most people as well. Brave search also exists if you don't mind supporting that shitty company.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lol. nope. not happening. that's not how to get me to even think about using your search again (having quit over a decade ago).

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[–] ScreaminOctopus 17 points 2 months ago

I've been happy with Qwant lately, they have their own index so using them doesn't support the Google + Bing hegemony. They're also EU based and regulated by the gdpr.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

why are you using google in 2024 grandpa

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

There are so many alternatives

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (5 children)

AFAIK Startpage gives you google results with your privacy intact and less ads.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they def wanna maximize data collection with javascript

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