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Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.

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[–] [email protected] 289 points 1 month ago (6 children)

"So, those guys generate positive advertisement for our games. How do we stop it, and make sure that public opinion shifts to «Nintendo is cringe and you're a loser if you play this shit»?"

Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

My best guess would be that they're trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold. But also, that lumps in the entire rom hacking and fan translation community, which I'm sure they view as perpetuating the piracy of their games.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold.

If AI-generating images from copyrighted training material is legal, then generating source code from copyrighted binary code is as well.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Typical Japanese bullshittery. I watch sumo, and even when there was no official way to watch outside Japan the sumo association would get youtube accounts showing matches taken down. Tons of industries are still run by technological dinosaurs.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Japan was already living in the 2000's back in the 80's. The problem is that 40 years later, they're still living and thinking in the exact same way.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, if the decision were made today, I guarantee our current supreme court in the US would not have given us fair use.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the current U.S. Supreme Court wouldn't give you democracy, even though the American military has killed tens of thousands of people around the world in its name.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Stop buying Nintendo products

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The Switch was my last console purchase; I'm never buying another console from anyone ever again. I haven't touched it in years cause every time I new game comes out that I want to play, I just pirate it instead. Why bother playing new releases on an underpowered, outdated handheld that struggles to render in 1080p, when I can play them in 4K on my PC at 60-120 FPS instead? Seriously, fuck Nintendo. Between their crappy hardware and crusade against gamers, I have zero reason to give them another cent of my hard-earned cash.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 month ago (6 children)

With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It's truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.

[–] weker01 65 points 1 month ago

Recently?! Nintendo famously hates their fans for years now.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I'd spent $60 on it.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don't even know what an emulator is and don't follow news about nintendo

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It just keeps getting worse. I'm done with Nintendo

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (8 children)

We won't have much choices left it seems

Sony: Greedy fucks who don't know their customers anymore Microsoft: Kills off great studios then complains they have no games

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (10 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (32 children)

We won’t have much choices left it seems

https://www.steamdeck.com/ is a good one.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Recent laws in Japan have criminalized console and game modding, as well as save file editing

What the flying fuck, Japan?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yeah all of these are ridiculous but save file editing? lol. That’s insane.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They've been on some kind of emulation crusade then, because it looks like they just killed Ryujinx:

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yep, they already removed the github and download pages from the website, last version was 1.1.1403

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere... Like pokemon maybe? I'm glad Palword saw daylight.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (9 children)

They're suing Palworld too btw

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I grew up with a Nintendo controller in hand.

There's a very good reason I now game almost exclusively on PC. None of this is going to convince me to come back. Quite the opposite in fact.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This can't be a new thing. This was one of the conditions Nintendo announced when they dropped their stupid "register with us to be allowed to do lets plays" thing.

Oh, and it's not just Nintendo. All of the big publishers believe they own your videos that use their games. I've been involved in discussions with people personally who were trying to figure out how to demand licensing fees from YouTubers.

This is goingnto get worse before it gets better. This has been a traffic jam caused by everyone waiting for somebody to go first. Nintendo is just the one who has volunteered to be the first mover.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (7 children)

They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn't the fact that Yuzu was making money.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm glad I bought a switch second hand and immediately installed a modchip on it, 0 money went to Nintendo

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

With major releases like Tears of the Kingdom on the horizon…

Internet Explorer?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

I love a link to the past randomizer which is obviously not stock Zelda. Fuck Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

They're clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.

Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.

Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.

In a working system, this wouldn't be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo's insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.

I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:

Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (2000), commonly referred to as simply Sony v. Connectix, is a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony's PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don't go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it's basically free advertisement for your game.

If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?

I know I wouldn't. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Nintendo is running out of ideas so they are going back into their catalog to remaster old games. Cant have people playing dead games if they release a new graphically updated version and make millions.

This is especially true when the new generation is figuring out that graphics aren't shit and story is everything.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you're petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Ryujinx repo was just taken down from Github too

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

So you're saying I should never buy anything from Nintendo?

Cool cool cool, cool, cool.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

nintendo should put more effort into making switch online not suck instead of going after gamers playing nintendo games

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Nintendo needs to chill the fuck out.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Nintendo has burned through all the good will they developed with me when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. I doubt I'll ever buy another Nintendo product again. Not that it matters to Nintendo, though. I'm many years removed from their target demographic. They make products for young people and that ain't me. I'm sure those younger Nintendo fans will keep supporting the company, but, as for me, I've got the classic Nintendo games I want and I'll keep playing them on whatever device I want. If Nintendo doesn't like that, they can kiss my whole ass.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Nintendo is doing everything in it's power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like "omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺" and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.

Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (8 children)

If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it's legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?

Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?

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