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[–] [email protected] 176 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Tech worker here. My house is largely smart, but it's all controlled by a local server.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Cybersecurity tech worker here, and same. Even with the local server though, the one smart thing that I absolutely don’t fucks with is exterior door locks. I got one that does PIN entry, but absolutely no wireless or Bluetooth or anything. Other than that let’s fucking go it’s 2024 I can’t be bothered to open my window shades with my hands like I’m living in the 1800s on a farm in the fucking prairie or some shit. They open on a schedule, synced at a slightly earlier offset to my wake up alarm.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Eh if they are savvy enough to unlock my door they are smart enough to break my window. Also if they can unlock my door I still have zwave open/close sensors that will trigger the alarm so I will take the convince of smart locks over non smart any day. I can keep the wandering bums out but remotely let family members in without having to give out my code or keys.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

That’s fair. I can store like 20 codes or something, so I just keep one extra in there then rotate it after whoever I had to give it to is done with needing it.

I live on a really busy street in a city, so I’m really not worried about someone breaking a window to get inside. Sure there’s a nonzero chance a methie might smash a window, but around here it’s mostly just testing car door handles and maybe smashing the car window if there’s a visible wallet or pill bottle or something.

Walking up to my door and doing a replay attack, or sending a master password to the lock takes seconds and doesn’t look any more suspicious than a resident entering the house. This talk is from 2016, but I doubt things have gotten significantly better, and I don’t want to be replacing my door lock, or even worrying about updating firmware, whenever something like this is found (Picking BLE Locks - Anthony Rose & Ben Ramsey).

But yeah, I’m not saying anyone’s an idiot for using a smart lock or anything, odds are it will never matter either way.

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[–] ayyy 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dream: I will slowly wake up to gently increasing morning sun

Reality: my alarm clock sound is now just the buzzing and whirring of a motor that is starting to open my blinds. Just as I fall back asleep the whirring noise starts again to increase the light level.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I wish someone made a smart door lock status indicator. I don't want my doors to unlock for me; I just want to know if I remembered to lock them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Like you want to have a dumb lock but a smart sensor that tells you if the deadbolt is locked or open?

I remember reading some blog somewhere about a person who rigged up a sensor to alert them if their mailbox had been opened or not, you could probably design something to do similar. Idk maybe a magnetic thing to detect the bolt itself, or something to detect on the position of the latch on the interior of the door?

Found this after a quick search, sorry for it being Reddit and the video of the working solution being uploaded to gfycat.

Dumb Deadbolt Lock Detection - Reddit

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Yep.

I love tech, as long as it's tech that I have full control over.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Personally I love the idea of a smart home only if its self hosted and running on fully open source software, also never put a gun near an unattended printer :3

[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And if anybody is wondering if that exists, it's called Home Assistant.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Never connect an unattended printer.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Home assistant, as a central system (it basically let's you wire anything into anything!). The smart switches etc should be esp8266 or esp32 based. You can then flash either tasmota or esphome to them.

Since your server will likely be Linux based, it's open source all the way to the bare metal, (or at elast as close as possible).

My current system almost doesn't notice if the Internet dies. Also, if you nuke critical components, in the worst case, it still defaults to dumb control behaviour (physical switches still work etc).

I still know where the kill switches are however. I've also made sure it doesn't have control of anything mobile, other than the robo vacs, and I'm fairly sure I could take them in a fight.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm horrified when I see someone with an Alexa in their home

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 56 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Yup, my parents have Google Home and Alexa, and my brother has Alexa. And here I am, the only one in the family who works in tech with neither. In fact, I got a free Google Home and gave it away because I don't want it anywhere near my home network.

One of these days I'll figure out how to DIY it, but until then, I just use my phone (GrapheneOS, so some protections there) to play music and look stuff up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

There is www.home-assistant.io but that might be too much for your needs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

With a bit of work homeassistant can be a quite good voice assistant.

You can either revive some old android device and use that, or get an ECHO M5 for ~13€ and hook that one up.

You can even run some local Ollama AI and use that for the voice assistant nowadays. It's quite useful and home assistant can be integrated into music / audiobooks aswell with something like Music Assistant 2.0

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's bullshit. No one really does keep a gun next to their printer to shoot it in an emergency, the notion is just ridicolus.

What if the printer grabs the gun first? You need to keep it out of reach of the printer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My printer sits on an activated trapdoor above a shark tank. I've spent so much on printers trying to learn all the normal noises. Also sharks, turns out ink in the tank is not great for them.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I refuse to buy products for my home that require an app. No, I am not signing your fucking privacy policy to use my lightbulbs.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When I had my bathroom done, they put some speakers in the ceiling I could connect to with bluetooth, but in order to activate that I need to use a crappy app to swap them to speaker mode and turn them on.

When I got a new phone, guess which app no longer works on versions of Android that Noah himself didn't use to track his fucking animals?

Bonus: Every power cut causes it to enter "detuned radio mode", requiring me to find my old phone, charge it up enough to power on, connect to the speakers and switch them off.

Never buy anything from EISSound.

Really need to get around to figuring out the spec of the speakers so I can replace the controller...

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (7 children)

As a tech worker, I'd rather have a panicked skunk in my home than a printer.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Your entire house is ~~smart~~ hackable and tracks your every step for advertising revenue of big companies.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (6 children)

My smart home is Home Assistant hosted on a server in my house. It's fully open source and has gone through multiple paid audits to show its security is good too. The only non-local-only integrations are the weather api's and my thermostat (ecobee).

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I wish it was more common for printers to have or be supported by open source firmware. Maybe then I might start to trust them enough to buy one.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

BRB, attaching a pen to my GRBL-based CNC and looking for a PostScript to G-Code converter...

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

this guy should check out c/selfhosted

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm starting to get old.

I can smart my house in a fully closed network and automate so much shit. But then I have to stay on top of it. I'm already at the point where it's becoming a chore to catch up on the industry for new hardware for my rigs and I've done it so many times; it's not fun anymore, it's a job... I'm tired.

Solace is found in my headphones and a fire pit. The day Steam becomes fuckery, I'm retiring from technology and fully absolving myself into disconnection.

Hell of a time to be born, but fatigue.

Edit: Ah, who amI kidding? I'm a career data analyst. I'll be chasing digital dragons until I die

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In more civilized countries, we keep a sledgehammer read to bash the printer with, rather than a gun.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Even if I wanted to smartify my home using open source and local servers. I wouldn't even know what to make smart.

Lights only ever need to be on when I am in the room, but every door has a switch that only requires my arm to lift a bit. So what is the point in powering electronics for that? Just wastes energy.

Anything with a lock is a no-go anyway.

I rarely close my curtains, and don't see why they should do so automatically in the off chance of it happening.

I don't need to touch my thermostat when I am not at home.

Can anyone tell me actual useful applications that aren't just a gimmick?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm paranoid at work because that's my job.

At home, I'm off the clock and my digital hygiene and organization is atrocious.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

It's also the opposite! I do a lot of self hosting at home.

But at work... Hell yeah bro wire that shit through AWS with a Google login and Microsoft platform, I don't GAF.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I’m a tech worker, and I’ve got tons of smart things. They’re just all local. (Except my garage door opener. Man, fuck LiftMaster. Oh and my thermostat. Ecobee is ok, but I wish they would offer a local only option.)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

RatGDO is a local ESP device you can hook into a LiftMaster to connect it to WiFi in a better way. Highly recommend.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

This gives a new meaning to trouble shooting. 🤔

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I program for a living.

I can't stand all the smart shit people talk about. I hate installing software updates. I hate having to download an app just to use some shitty hardware. I hate needing an internet connection to use something. I hate having to charge yet another device.

I really hate software. I try to avoid it as much as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So how do you send documents to the printer?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 months ago (1 children)

cocking my gun

Nice try, Printer, but this is your last warning.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] TheSlad 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I bought a cheap printer from walmart last year and was absolutely miffed that it didnt come with a cord. No, I am not connecting you to my wifi and installing your software on my computer! Had to buy a printer cord on amazon that ended up costing as much as the printer itself...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It wasn't just a generic usb type-b? Or was the printer only $3?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I don't think I've had a printer come with a cord in like 20 years.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This is part of the reason I have no intention of having anything to do with IT once I retire.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (7 children)

As a tech worker, it's stunning how many of my colleagues have smart Amazon or Apple surveillance home

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Other tech workers: My house is dumb because I use all money for either a new server or fursuits.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s an Okidata ribbon printer.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to be in tech to not want my lightbulbs connected to the internet, my car collecting data and any decice listening to me.

I really just want a not technology smart life and its getting harder and harder.

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