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[–] [email protected] 135 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

All of you are invited on [email protected]

Also checkout the many editing tools, such as https://mapcomplete.org, https://streetcomplete.app,...

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I successfully used Every Door during my holidays to contribute

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There’s a small learning curve I wish some bothered to understand first. Does this app help? The part of this I don’t like is vacationers leaving useless names like ‘Mango lady’, ‘many street vendors’ for a block, or ‘local restaurant’ since they can’t read the sign as opposed marking up the cuisine type, maybe adding an English description, & leaving the name blank. Nobody expects uploads to be perfect but Bangkok is littered with this noise that makes it hard to follow or find things.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

It takes effort and knowledge to make good contributions, this app is just a tool to do that.

I can only say I myself try to make valuable contributions, some other people might care less.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 3 months ago (25 children)

the biggest problem I have with switching is that Google Maps is a business directory. open street maps is empty where i live. it works okay for navigation, but not so much for finding a coffee.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

there are ways to make it easier; it's been gamified:

https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete

Available on FDROID.

When my partner stops to play pokemon go, I complete some Open Street Map info quests...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Street Complete is a great app for quests regarding existing features, but also consider the feature might not exist at all yet in OSM.

Map Complete is great for adding new features. It also asks a bunch of optional simple questions about the feature which gets converted into the relevant OSM tags. It's browser based but you can just add a shortcut to your home screen to have it quickly accessible.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It says “page not found”, maybe because I'm not in EU.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As many have already told you, you can contribute to OSM, I have put in it almost all the establishments in my area (Not at Big area but...). Although soon I have to update them

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

im on board with the idea in general, but im not going to do this. it would be an endless effort to the benefit of almost nobody. places go up and down so fast here that google maps is often out of date too. it's filled with stale information and im flagging missing places constantly. every digital community in this country is a garbage pile.

the ride share apps here do use open street maps though, and im making corrections to building addresses when i find something isn't right. it's great.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Umm...it benefits loads of people.

On OSM you don't have to just flag something. You can edit it directly, so it leads to more accurate information.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But you can also just flag it if editing is not your cup of tea. Here's a convenient, non-techy tool to add notes for others to use when editing: https://www.onosm.org/

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You can contribute them!

There's a pretty barebones editor in Organic Maps, but you can also check out Street Complete and Every door (more advanced and less user friendly, though insanely efficient)

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 131 points 3 months ago

Yeah but it demonstrates googles unwillingness to cooperate and give fair warnings.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (4 children)

You seem pretty active with OSM, so I'll propose this here since I don't have time to make it.

OSM is very, very popular with hikers and cyclists, and I'd argue rhey drive a lot of it's use, especially via third-party systems. However, it's one failing is "gravel" roads. While they support many different gravel road types, they admit on their Wiki that use of the proper terms is low.

Given the heavy use of Garmin devices, especially among gravel cyclists, mountain bikers, and bikepackers, where terrain definition is important, it would be outstanding to have an app in the Garmin store for Edge devices that could report the exact terrain type (compacted, dirt, etc) with a button mash as you ride it.

[–] ZBobbert 19 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Check out StreetComplete (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnordost.streetcomplete)

It does more than just road surface type, and incorporates location-based OSM editing in a very user-friendly way!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I will add as a narrowboater.

I found towpaths also have this issue with definition of surface.

I am legally blind. (Some vision but bad)

I have a few times tried to add more ditail to areas of towpath that will help the others like me know what to expect before mooring.

Seems anything that improves this will help in your issues as well.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Openstreetmaps has 8.75% of the contributors Google Maps has.

Organic Maps has 1% the user base Google Maps has.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The same can be said about Lemmy and Reddit, but look where we are.

We need to support open-source projects and stop being simps for bad companies like Google.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago

And its still better :)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I just did 30 minutes of contributing to osm database

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (6 children)

So? Every platform starts at 0%.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Organic Maps is available on F-Droid.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've used OrganicMaps in the past, but for searching POIs and ahead route planning its just unusable.

Meanwhile i've found GraphHopper, an open source search, route and (experimental) navigation app from Germany. Great thing: its blazing fast! Check it out on F-Droid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

For the lazy: GraphHopper Maps (Online route planner and experimental GPS navigation) https://f-droid.org/packages/com.graphhopper.maps/

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just downloaded and installed Organic Maps from F-Droid. Looks really nice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Aside from saving places what else can you do with google maps that can be exported?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I didn't know about Organic-Maps. I used Osmand, which has a subscription fee for downloading maps.

Thx!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I didn't have to pay for it, installed from F-Droid, and I can download any map I've tried so far. When I'm traveling I like to pre-download the standard map for the whole state if it's one I don't already have installed. It's nice to not have to worry about data / reception.

Overall OsmAnd is a pretty good GPS-map-navigation app, but has several annoyances and bugs. Still better than using Google's app to me. I need to check out Organic maps too

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Reminder: As long as you don't get rid of "Google Play Services" running as "root" 24/7, removing/not using Google Maps doesn't mean so much to Google.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Google maps is the last vestige of Google that I use. I was never a Google search user and I only use Gmail for 'official' stuff.

So yeah, I want this to work.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Organic maps is great and I wish I could use it more. I commute in a city and traffic data is very important to me when it comes to route planning. It can be the difference between an hour commute and a 15min commute. Due to this, I'm pulled back to using google maps as my default.

Is it not possible to anonymize traffic data so that it can be made available in google maps? I'd gladly contribute a bit of data in order to improve this app. I'd even pay a bit of money for a pro version.

Great app all the same.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It's... okay?

In fact no, it's by-far the best Google Maps alternative I've used so far, this clears OsmAnd+ easily. However, it still has quite a way to go. I can see why it's awesome for hiking, but this has some interesting side effects.

For example, I noticed right away that it cannot search for specific places in non-downloaded maps. This might seem like a "duh", but the maps around here seem extremely fine-grained, so I need to first search for the town, then download the map, then search for the street and address, then I can navigate. Oh no wait I cannot, I need to also download maps for all places in-between.

This makes complete sense for hiking, where I'm confined to a - comparatively - small area and want to pre-download this, at all times, always. And also don't really "search" for a specific address to route to beforehand, rather for a general area and then just get the map.

And of course, the quality of navigation is... adventurous. But I expected that, that's just something GMaps has a huge starting advantage at, and this clears what OsmAnd+ does and honestly feels better than Apple Maps, too. Though that's maybe not high praise, as in this area of the world Apple Maps is like getting lost only you use a smartphoen to do it.
Still, it's the second best I've seen. And for an open source app, that's an insane feat.

Hugely impressed, TY OP. Never heard of this before.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These posts are motivating

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Can't we script a complete copy of Google maps data (shops, highways etc) to this? Is the API restricted? Can we run distributed jobs for it? I can spin up some compute if someone is interested in trying this

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Organic maps SPECIFICALLY doesn't want that. It would be grounds for them being sued and having to comb through their database and remove any "questionable" material.

It would be the end of the project, they don't have money for that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

@Melatonin @MigratingtoLemmy

Not Organic Maps, that's just the client. The data is OpenStreetMap, more info about imports here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

@MigratingtoLemmy @101 @openstreetmap

No, this is against Google TOS and OpenStreetMap policy on data sources and the Data Working Group will step in and block any accounts doing this to protect the project as a whole.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Just installed and signed into my OSM account! Been meaning to update more of my area.

I am looking to try moving away from Waze too. Are there any good open projects that have support for reporting cops and the other stuff like Waze? When I was looking last year, I came across Navmii since it does have some level of reporting stuff. However the app itself is very glitchy and I don't think it is really actively being worked on. Or is popular enough to even know if literally anyone around me is reporting things. When I have tried to report a cop being parked waiting for speeders, it doesn't show anything even on my map.

They use OSM data which I think is also not being actively scraped, as I personally added my entire street's addresses and doesn't show on Navmii (but does show up on the main OSM site and on Organic Maps).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I tried this for my hiking trip and it is really good for that. But when i tried to use it as a navigation tool with my motorcycle it lagged pretty much all the time and couldn't keep up with my position and speed. I tried to change permissions for the app, but so far nothing worked.

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