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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It’s very impressive that they got such a modern process up and running in such a relatively short period of time. I understand the Arizona location is relatively new.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're essentially doing trials where Arizona fab provides small amounts of sillicon that's being validated against what Taiwan fab does. While it was planned for 2024 I'm guessing everyone thought it would be delayed. It's quite a big win for US, they're on track to secure domestic supply of fairly modern chips in case shit hits the fan in Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And they managed to do that with those lazy US workers? Wow.

E: folks, pls look up TSMC bosses' statements on American workers' ethic

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also, if interested, check out this documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Factory. Has a lot of interesting crosstalk between Chinese/American views on work and business.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Such a sad documentary, especially the self sabotage union votes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I know. I was devastated when I first watched it, because I was so sure it was going to pass...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks, Biden! And the American taxpayer!

[–] IcyToes 8 points 2 months ago

Maybe, but Intel operates there so the labour pool is probably quite skilled already. Perhaps good supply chains too.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

more domestic production is great

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anybody know if this has anything to do with Biden's Chips and Sciences program?

[–] QBertReynolds 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. So far, the CHIPS Act has resulted in $6.6b in direct funding and an additional $5b in available loans for the AZ facility.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cool. Thanks for the intel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what TSMC is. Figured it was a company.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're serious, but they were making a joke because Intel, who makes chips, is a competitor to TMSC the chip manufacturer from the article.

So they played on that relationship by treating the word Intel in your "thanks for the Intel" comment as meaning the company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

No I meant intel, not Intel. Like 411. It was just coincidental.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bit by bit, Taiwan will be slowly sold off to China once they no longer hold the last thing that made them worthy of Western protection. Of course, there will be some harsh words of condemnation, but that's it. That's my theory. Sad but true.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's the reason I'm rooting for everyone, including China, to do well with domestic chipmaking. Makes everyone have little less reason to try this modern day mutually assured destruction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

China: "this guys right, we are almost close to be our own chip manufacture and owning Taiwan."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That would be par for the course of my life decisions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

N00b question. Do these chips get transferred from USA to India/Vietnam for assembly and then back again to all over the world for shipping?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They may. But logistically I can’t see it being a problem. Each CPU is like 10mmx10mmx1mm. You could fit a TON in a 1m^3 box.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Ideally 100,000 if my math is correct. Just be careful as there is no packing material except for the box itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Hmm. Perhaps we'd come to a point where these facilities are on all continents to reduce ecological impact, but I guess Apple isn't that green.