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Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.

One of those two passengers hit by the cops' bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

This is like an unfunny onion article. The fact that there can be civilian casualties in NYPDs war on fare jumpers is just shameful. It's not for the money. They spend $150 million a year to recover $100k. Beyond an embarrassment.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

NYPD pays $126,000 annual salary, that's about $60 an hour or $1 a minute, 4 cops respond to the fair jumper, if they spent more than 45 seconds on this it costs the city more than the fair was worth.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

The point is not how much it costs.

The point is that a poor person needs punishment, and if they're lucky, they might get to shoot somebody.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Such a reaction is insane, in other countries they would be prosecuted, right?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In other countries they'd just put in fare gates you couldn't jump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

We don't even have gates. Most people just pay for their tickets. Sometimes there are ticket inspections - if you get caught you'll be fined. Way cheaper than enormous infrastructure for every entrance that just slows you down if you have an annual ticket for example. https://youtu.be/kq-X25pH1XQ

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This obviously has in part to do with the toxic American gun culture and it's corrupt and untrained police, but alsonwoth it's misguided need for what it thinks is justice, and revenge for real or imagined crimes.

Shoplift something small? In you go with hardened criminals to punish punish punish, fuck you for daring to do that! No rehabilitation, just punish

A lot of Americans complain about low prison sentences in Europe, not understanding that the focus there is on actually solving the problem of crime, instead of revenge, revenge, revenge.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

It makes more sense if you start from the premise that there are "good people" and "bad people", and bad people need to be punished to protect good people. The people who do the protections--like Joe Arpaio--can do no wrong. Even if they seem to do bad things, that's just in the service of protecting good people.

This premise is bullshit, but everything follows from there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem is rooted in prison spending moving from a social cost to a private revenue stream.

It's the classic Cobra Effect of economics. Monetizing the solution to a problem creates an incentive to increase the instances of said problem.

In this case, we have criminalized the free use of public transportation in order to justify more spending on policing.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can we just go back to having a legitimate conductor who also has a protected union job that is properly staffed so that they can do occasional walks through the train to be able to offer ticketing services that allow for rapid and mass transit for the masses that connect us in a way that allows for fucking easy travel.

Please! Or can we at least stop treating trains like an old existing extension of the singularly for profit monopolies paid by the government they were and just straight up have been allowed to become again!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Not even just conductors, these trains need staff period. One of the things about crime in general is that people are less likely to do it if they feel like the area presents itself as safe. Even things down to cleanliness, lighting, staff presence, and noise level will affect crime.

It seems like the city just doesn’t care at all about their transit because it’s extremely dirty, staff are basically nonexistent, the stations are loud and have no boundaries, and every part of them seems to be decaying infrastructure. Japan knows this well, your passengers will reflect the expectations you put upon them by their environment and staff.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Our system of regulation has become dysfunctional.

Our police system turns human beings into violence machines. If our police system creates behavior like this from the people closest to it then that system is broken.

The officers are doing what humans do when given too much raw force.

Change the system and the officers will change with it.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Imagine the 2 by standards suing the department getting and 6 million dollars. Because shooting a guy for jumping a turn style worth 2.90.

This is a joke they need to take that money out of the police officers pension.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they start doing that, and only that, no police officer will ever see a pension ever again within a month

Start giving police officers actual training. You know, teach them how to deescalate, how to actually use a gun (because they don't even know that part) but also teach them to let go.

High speed chases may look cool but they endanger the innocent until found guilty suspect and hundreds of innocent bastards, none of those chases are worth it. Let them go, catch them later safely using actual police investigation work.

Guns may look cool but they kill at a distance and are a high risk for all bystanders, they should be a last resort, not a first resort.

Also,mgive police officers a mandatory psychological evaluation, filter out the psychopaths and the racists. Those you don't want in a force that needs to protect and serve.

A lot more improvements can be and should be made, but you get the picture

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

If they start doing that, and only that, no police officer will ever see a pension ever again within a month

Seems like it's a whole lot of not my problem.

Garnish their wages too. Fuck these fucking bastard pigs.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

This is an age old American tradition of shooting people who try to stow on train cars. There is an image in American culture of the freighthopping hobo who is trying to find a better place to live and work despite not having a dime to his name. Of course in reality many people have been shot for doing that. Property and a few dollars is worth much, much more than a poor person's life.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Can't we just make the Subway so cheap that it's not worth jumping the toll? Or make it so low income people get free fares.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We could spend millions of dollars on making fares cheaper for people, but have you considered we can instead give that money to the police so they can prevent mere thousands of dollars in free rides?

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[–] [email protected] 235 points 3 days ago (37 children)

Ahh yes. Nothing like killing a perp and a few bystanders for a few dollars' worth of fare. USA! USA!

[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 days ago (10 children)

I think if people had even more guns this could have been avoided. What if there was a six year old with a 22 there to respond to the gunshots with some of his own? maybe less people would be dead.

Guns make everyone way safer. We need to start providing them in utero.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 3 days ago (3 children)

NYPD: The dumbest kid from every high school on Long Island.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

straphangers

What the hell, I've NEVER heard or read this word in my entire life.

The first known use of straphanger was in 1896. Defined as a standing passenger in a subway, streetcar, bus, or train who clings for support to one of the short straps or similar devices placed along the aisle

I guess that might explain part of that... but I'm seeing consisntent uses from merriam webster's recent examples on the web for the word.

Strangely enough there is a military alternative definition:

"Straphanger" seems to have a different, and negative connotation in current US military parlance. Since this is a militarily-oriented movie, it is probably the definition that applies.

In an article unrelated to Zero Dark Thirty, I found a reference to strap hangers.

"We have a saying in the SEAL Teams about the 90-10 rule. It goes: 90% of the guys that make it through Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training are solid Operators and go on to do great things. The other 10% are constantly bringing the community and their team down. We are always trying to cull the 10% out of the herd. In the military these guys are commonly referred to as “strap hangers”....grabbing at the straps of the good men that participated in this operation."

source

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (21 children)

NYPD goes HARD on toll jumpers, but there's virtually zero enforcement on traffic and cars. Everywhere I go I see assholes with illegally modified vehicles, degenerates speeding down shoulders and medians, motorcycles on crowded sidewalks and pedestrian paths, and too many drunk drivers to count. There are so many cases where one pig parked on the shoulder during rush hour would fund the city budget for a year.

Instead we get whole families of pigs loitering by the turnstiles

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

Who drives and who uses the subway.

That's your answer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The reason is the same reason why bullies go after vulnerable and/or isolated kids. The type of person who has a car and has the money and means to illegally modify it is also the type of person who would give the police absolute hell if they so much as dared to look at them the wrong way. A person jumping a small toll is someone who is poor and will never attract the sympathies of any judge who will treat them very harshly.

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