this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2024
286 points (98.0% liked)

World News

39210 readers
2041 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

When school started this year for Mikalay in Belarus, the 15-year-old discovered that his teachers and administrators no longer called him by that name. Instead, they referred to him as Nikolai, its Russian equivalent.

What’s more, classes at his school — one of the country’s best — are now taught in Russian, not Belarusian, which he has spoken for most of his life.

Belarusians like Mikalay are experiencing a new wave of Russification as Moscow expands its economic, political and cultural dominance to overtake the identity of its neighbor.

It’s not the first time. Russia under the czars and in the era of the Soviet Union imposed its language, symbols and cultural institutions on Belarus. But with the demise of the USSR in 1991, the country began to assert its identity, and Belarusian briefly became the official language, with the white-red-white national flag replacing a version of the red hammer and sickle.

all 30 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 116 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Fun fact, cultural erasure is a form of genocide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Oof, France has been committing genocide for hundreds of years then lol.

It has been trying to eradicate all regional languages outside of Parisian France for a long time now and still refuses to sign the European Charter for Minority and Regional Languages. Only recently did they start recognizing them and not banning the use of them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

https://guides.loc.gov/french-literature-and-language-learning/regional-minority-languages-france

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OK, now do China.

I kid, I kid.

They remove the people: no people, no language.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean China definitely does it.

Tibeten "re-education" anyone? They stole the playbook for Tibet right from america dealing with native Americans, but with a little less outright killing. Uyghurs is less language genocide and more actual genocide and concentration/slave camps.

America did it and does it with native americans. Americans did it with literally every single group that came into the country with their whole "English isn't our official language but you better speak English or be ostracized" through its history.

Literally every nation has tried at one point.

I am pretty sure language erasure is not "a form of genocide", but "a component of recognizing genocide" or something that states thag commit genocide commonly do. I have looked at a bunch of definitions and genocide definition seems to always involve actually killing people:

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.[3]

My point was that every nation does it simply because of nationalism and ease of administration. Governments already run bad enough without having to keep 25 running translations of every document.

[–] azertyfun 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

France's historic language policy is certainly highly problematic yes. Although the point is not genocide but class warfare and/or colonialism, not that it's much of an improvement.

And now do Belgium. French is the language of the elites (the monarchy and, historically, the aristocracy and bourgeoisie) but also a minority regional language. Is Flanders banning French on public signage a form of oppression? I personally think it's stupid Flemish nationalism but I wouldn't call it oppression.

So how about we stop making blanket statements. Moscow's erasure of Belarusian identity is at least oppressive and imperialistic and follows a long history of oppression. IDK if that qualifies as genocide (IMHO that undermines the gravity of something like the Holodomor), but something not strictly being genocide doesn't make it unimportant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

First of all, great job whatabouting. Second of all, yes, that is a form of genocide.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago

Lukashenko sold his country and nation to the horror and suffering that is Russia.

I doubt everyone will be on board with this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

mi mute o kama sona e toki toki pona.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't you like when some big country forces their language in your region?

(I despise the English language by the way)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What do you prefer to use?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, I don't speak much other than Portuguese and English. I'm trying to learn Latin, though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Try Toki Pona or Esperanto. They are languages designed to be universal, with minimal words. Toki Pona only has around 130 words.

https://tokitrainer.com/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those are in my list, too. I'm really interested in learning these. Unfortunately, I'm a distracted individual with terrible time management.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I surely want to learn this language, but I often find myself busy and/or distract, along with my terrible time management. 😓 I still hope I learn it someday.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Esperanto does have some criticisms, most notably the fact that it's too Eurocentric. A Chinese person is gonna have a FAR harder time learning it than, let's say a Chilean.

Toki Pona on the other hand is basically an amalgamation of many unrelated languages, with simplified phonotactic rules to make it easier for... well, everyone. Also, they do have a logographic writing system like Chinese, but at least it looks like the exact thing it's describing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I like it, because everyone can use it. 130 words could easily be learned. Especially people with learning disabilities

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

German, of course!