It is truly insane to me that the one party in this country has moved into straight-up holocaust denial, but the only thing that will get you labeled an antisemite by either party is suggesting we politely ask Israel to do a little less genocide with the weapons we give them.
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I also love the fact that saying we shouldn't allow one semitic group to eradicate another semitic group with our tax payer dollars, makes you antisemitic.
Careful buddy, if you keep talking like that, AIPAC is going to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Nazi-apologist to take your job.
To be fair both parties are currently engaged in genocide denial.
Well, you're not wrong.
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A holocaust/genocide studies professor once told me there were two categories of holocaust deniers, and while the former were fools, the latter truly scared him:
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“It didn’t happen.”
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“It wasn’t a holocaust because they didn’t finish the job.”
This is veering into #2 territory when you view these deaths as some sort of portion that had “overcrowding.”
#2 is what defenders of Israel are saying today too
Don't know why you're being down voted. "It can't be a genocide there are still Palestinians living in Gaza" is literally a line being used by commenters.
They're the ones down voting it
I guess all the downvotes on your comment with no one offering another explanation is probably proof you're right.
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You let in the Nazis, you're gonna get Nazi ideology
You can have a little nazi ideology, as a treat ... no, wait, shit!
Lemmy try another:
Do you want Nazis? Because thats how you get Nazis!
Yeah, there we go.
Alright, so stay with here....
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure
The article is spreading Holocaust misinformation too. Most of the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish.
6 million out of 17 million isn't a majority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
It's fucking infuriating that so many people keep repeating that bullshit. People legit believe it, it's what we're taught in schools even. But it's just propaganda so kids grow up more likely to excuse Israel's current genocides.
I was taught that it was the largest specific group targeted not that it was the majority.
And in this case it's fine for the author to simplify. Because the specifics of the Holocaust isn't the article focus. It's about current day people denying it happened at all and their political affiliation.
Same, but it's the framing of the number that they're calling into question. As if to force people to say "only 6 million of the 17 million," or, "if they're lying about this, what else are they lying about?"
Truly devious and truly maniacal.
From the linked table, the largest specific group is Soviets.
Holocaust victims were people targeted by the government of Nazi Germany based on their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, disability or sexual orientation For specified groups like the Jews, genocide was the Nazis' primary goal. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the Holocaust was "the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jewish men, women and children by the Nazi regime and its collaborators".[1]
Including 7.8 million soviet civilians and POWs in the count kind of seems like a revisionist definition of what the holocaust was to include anyone killed in the war. To undermine how much focus was on the jews pre-war.
To be fair, the Soviet citizens were targeted because of their ethnicity. Slavics were considered sub human like Jews.
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I've always heard the figure being 12 million total. I actually saw an older piece of material recently that mentioned the total as being 11 million.i agree that saying Jews were a majority is incorrect and misleading but I don't think it's intentional misinformation. It was the largest individual group.
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The racism is just used to distract from the economic issues faced by the middle class, low information voters need to be educated about this.
The republican party is going to destroy America and then their rich will move overseas. You already have TX governors fucking off every time a weather event happens.
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure. Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, he said, entered Germany into “a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners.”
“They went in with no plan for that and they just threw these people into camps,” he added. “And millions of people ended up dead there.”
Poor little nazis, kek.
That 'historian' is to be bullied from every college debate club.
Also aside from the death camps the Nazis ran executions squads, just lining up and shooting all the villagers once they captured a village.
There is absolutely no question about the Nazis intention of murdering people they thought to be inferior or inconvenient.
Their initial approximations how it should go is to clear the Soviet Union from human pests and make germans settle there with slavic genetical garbage as mere servants if not pets allowed to live and reproduce in set margins.
Such a great starting point to treat civilians right.
Hell, not even the fucking Nazis themselves claimed that they weren't deliberately operating death camps. Here's Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz:
Technically [it] wasn't so hard—it would not have been hard to exterminate even greater numbers.... The killing itself took the least time. You could dispose of 2,000 head in half an hour, but it was the burning that took all the time. The killing was easy; you didn't even need guards to drive them into the chambers; they just went in expecting to take showers and, instead of water, we turned on poison gas. The whole thing went very quickly.
And here he is, after his trial, four days before his execution:
My conscience compels me to make the following declaration. In the solitude of my prison cell, I have come to the bitter recognition that I have sinned gravely against humanity. As Commandant of Auschwitz, I was responsible for carrying out part of the cruel plans of the 'Third Reich' for human destruction. In so doing I have inflicted terrible wounds on humanity. I caused unspeakable suffering for the Polish people in particular. I am to pay for this with my life. May the Lord God forgive one day what I have done. I ask the Polish people for forgiveness. In Polish prisons I experienced for the first time what human kindness is. Despite all that has happened I have experienced humane treatment which I could never have expected, and which has deeply shamed me. May the facts which are now coming out about the horrible crimes against humanity make the repetition of such cruel acts impossible for all time.
Doesn't really sound like the statement of a guy who was trying to claim it didn't fucking happen, or that it was anything but a deliberate crime against humanity.
They've been called Nazis so much, they have to downplay what the Nazis did (and what they'd like to do). They can't believe they're becoming monsters.
Again?????
Didn't think they'd bring this one back until they released their 'Greatest Shits' album.
Just when you think they can't get more racist
This is the same demographic with the Q-anon stuff not shocking. Reality and history isn't their thing.
We already getting another remaster of it?
Why? Haven't the bystanders suffered enough?
I guess the last one with space lasers was pretty wild with flashy CGI, but I can barely keep up with the ridiculous plot - now somehow Palestine is involved, and there is that cartoonishly evil dark Sith Sam thats puppetmastering it all, very directly and obviously, but nobody believes it. It's just so much bs one and can take.
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