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It wouldn't be fair to have your felony conviction negatively impact your opportunities. This is how justice works right?

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[–] [email protected] 269 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Justice DENIED. AGAIN.

There's no impropriety about sending a convicted felon to prison just before an election. He has already been convicted. The fact that he is the nominee is irrelevant. RNC should have thought about that before they picked a guy they knew would likely end up behind bars for all the criminal acts he committed.

Now Trump will say he "won" the case, just like he did with the classified documents case. Corrupt judges all the way down.

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[–] [email protected] 201 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is an astounding level of bullshit even from a country that gives its full throated support to anyone with a net worth in the 7 figures or greater.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

A million bucks isn't worth a million bucks anymore. $1,000,000 might net you $75,000 in yearly interest, before taxes. What kind of purchasing power is that going to be at retirement?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

A worker earning $36 an hour wouldn't make $75,000 a year.

The millionaires are fine.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Please direct me to these ez pz 7.5% returns.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what the fuck, he was convicted, who gives a flying shit about his fucking candidacy.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Louder, so those in the ~~south~~ back can hear it

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[–] [email protected] 177 points 2 months ago (18 children)

This isn't a verdict, it is sentencing. He has already been found guilty. If the sentence matches what others have gotten for the same crimes, there is no bias.

By failing to do so, he has at best delayed justice, and if Trump should win, has essentially nullified the jury's verdict.

This feels reminiscent of Camu's "The Guest." The judge was given a job to do, and by waiting until the hard decision solves itself without his involvement, now all sides will feel this judge is a traitor.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago

This judge is a traitor

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Pathetic.

I'm stating it right now. I am officially running for President in the 2024, 2028, 2032, and 2036 elections. Therefore, to avoid the appearance of impropriety and not show political bias, the criminal court system cannot send me to jail until after the 2036 election, regardless of what crimes I commit or am convicted of in the mean time. The crimes I commit between now and then are irrelevant. I mean, you can convict me of those crimes if you'd like. You just can't punish me for it because I'm a Presidential Candidate under the Trump standard set forth by this judge.

This act of "not showing bias" goes to show the exact bias that the entire court system continues to give to Trump: giving him special privileges that exactly zero other people in this country would have extended to them in the same situation. And in one fell swoop, Merchan shows that he's absolutely no better than the rest of them; when push comes to shove, every single one of them will go out of their way to avoid holding Trump accountable for anything, all the while wondering why he keeps doing it.

He's doing it because it works. He's doing it because you let him. He's doing it because you are unwilling to do anything to stop him.

And he's going to keep doing it because you continue to let him win. Fuck this judge and fuck every other judge who continues to rule that Trump gets special treatment as if it's some kind of fucking birthright.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Showing plenty of bias by showering the felon with gratuitous delay and deference benefits.

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[–] knobbysideup 100 points 2 months ago

Sounds like a fuckton of bias to me.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 months ago

Justice delayed is justice denied.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 months ago

Not show bias, but demonstrate extreme bias.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Merchan has put the onus on the electorate. We, the American electorate must assure that 11/26 comes AND trump the citizen, unemployed by the government in any office, is sentenced for his felonious crime, for which he was convicted in May of 2024. This is the only way in which justice will be served.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is the right answer. I'm pissed but even more motivated to make the ballot his sentencing.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What a crock of fucking shit. We all knew this was coming. Once again, this little cockroach has escaped the consequences of his actions, and it surprises nobody at this point. Fuck you Merchan, you traitorous fucking coward..

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

This was the expected outcome. There are no consequences for the wealthy and affluent in the US, only for the poor. Look at the 2008 financial collapse, there wasn't any real jail time for any of those involved but we can't even begin to cover the number of suicides their actions caused.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That’s bullshit. Sentence the asshole now. He’ll flee the country otherwise

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago

Such unmitigated fermented fucking bullshit. The courts are an absolute disgrace.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

Were going to not show bias by being overwhelmingly biased towards this one person.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago

"Justice delayed is justice denied"

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to Model Standards for State Trial Courts, 75% of felony dispositions are to be resolved within 90 days, 90% within 180 days, and 98% within 365 days.

Trump was indicted March 30, 2023 and was arraigned on April 4, 2023. That means we are at 18 months now. With this decision it will be nearly 21 months.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Neutrality only helps the fascist

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's wild how much the slowness of the judicial system distorts society. Rich people delay forever and evade punishment...this was a crime from 2016, 8 years ago, he was found guilty in May and won't even get his sentence until late November, let alone start serving it.

But, this is also a cause of some of the major issues at the Southern border. The immigration system is so bogged down that it can't process the volume, judges are doing bulk decisions with seconds reading each case, people are being released into the US until their case can be heard which can be a long time, and that process is so politically toxic that both parties have switched to flatly illegal methods of rejecting legal asylum seekers or other legal immigrants.

I'm not a legal expert but can we get some proposals to speed this all up? Do we just dump resources at it, get more judges so they can have fewer cases? Change the laws? Something needs to happen here.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nope, it’s smart. Leaving sentencing until after the election also keeps the Supreme Court out of it before the election. You can bet your boots they would have fast-tracked any appeal and nullified the sentence somehow before the election.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (8 children)

If trump gets elected he’ll just pardon himself or whatever machinations transpire where he won’t be sentenced at all.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

That is showing bias.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

In an effort to not show bias they monumentally fucking failed. Not showing bias would mean following the fucking law regardless of who the person was or what their agenda was.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Narrator: This showed bias.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Gift link giving everybody access. You can edit this into the original post.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Showing bias by claiming its an effort to not show bias is fucking insanity.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Ma'am we know he ~~raped~~ you...sorry, sexually assaulted you. But we have to be bias to him. He might be President again. That is above ~~rape~~ sexual assault.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

Aren't we showing bias by giving criminals extra time because they decided to run a bullshit political campaign to subvert the law

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

"In attempt to not show bias the courts yet again show bias in favor of bending over backwards to accommodate Trump..."

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

In an effort to not serve justice, in other words.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

"My name is Stabby McKiller! Yes, I clearly stabbed four people in that home, and yes, I was convicted! BUT, I am also running for president! For total fairness, I demand my sentencing be delayed, so my sentence does not sway voter opinion!"

What fucking bullshit. THIS is bias.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Welp, when he loses, hopefully they throw the book at him, and then he runs to Russia, proving once and for all what he really is.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

He will continue to shit all over the world and get away with it. Absolute insanity. Anyone else on the street would get put away tomorrow and forever.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

In an effort to not show bias, we are giving incredible bias to Trump that no one else would get.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

Shower of bastards

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Yeah sorry, you cant send me to prison for anything cause it effects my chance at my job. Please wait till my job interview is over, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Justice delayed is justice denied. This country is well and truly fucked.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

How dumb is the judge to just now figure out that, oh, there's a presidential election in 2 months ... This has been an issue since the conviction.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Damn big bias showing there trumpette

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No real changes here, next date to watch is Thursday, September 26th:

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 09/06/2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, had been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity.

The Supreme Court ruled that the President does enjoy limited immunity for "official acts", it now returns to lower court to determine what, if any, of his acts leading up to 1/6 were "official".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/supreme-court-donald-trump-immunity/index.html

On 8/27, a new federal grand jury re-indicted Trump on all four counts in a hearing this time excluding evidence barred by the Supreme Court.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-indicted-federal-election-interference-case-supreme-court-immuni-rcna168503

"Judge Chutkan set a date of Sept. 26 for prosecutors in the office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, to submit an opening brief to her on the question of immunity."

"Judge Chutkan told Mr. Trump’s lawyers to respond to the government’s submission about immunity by Oct. 17. She also told them to finish making their arguments for why they need more discovery information from the government by Sept. 19."

"In her order, Judge Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, set a deadline of Oct. 24 for Mr. Lauro to make a formal request to file the motion about Mr. Smith’s appointment."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/us/politics/trump-election-case-jan-6.html

Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - Originally scheduled for July 11, 2024, then September 18th following the Supreme Court's ruling on Presidential immunity, sentencing is now delayed until 11/26, after the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/nyregion/trump-sentencing-delay-ruling.html

Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - October 4th, 2024 hearing has been set to determine if Fani Willis can remain on the case.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.   3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial had been set to begin May 20, 2024, but was subsequently delayed indefinitely by the judge, and has now been dismissed outright under the claims that the prosecutor was not Constitutionally appointed.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-tosses-trump-documents-case-ruling-prosecutor-unlawfully-appointed-2024-07-15/

Jack Smith appealed Judge Cannon's ruling on Monday, 8/26 to the 11th circuit.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/g-s1-19642/special-counsel-jack-smith-judge-cannon-appeal-trump-classified-documents
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.

There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.

The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/

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