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The girls, aged 14 to 16, have come for settler training to learn how to occupy Palestinian land — breaking international law. “God promised us this land and told us if you don’t take it, bad people will try and take it and you will have a war,” says Emuna Billa, 19, one of the camp supervisors. “Why do we have a war in Gaza? Because we don’t take Gaza.”

Their guru is Daniella Weiss, a 79-year-old grandmother in a long skirt and patterned headscarf. Founder of the Nachala or Homeland movement, she has been setting up illegal settlements for 49 years and was recently put under international sanctions. “You will be the new emissaries,” she tells the 50 or so girls at the camp. “I call it redeeming, not settling and this is our duty.”

She unfurls a map of Israel and the Palestinian territories dotted with vivid pink house symbols to represent existing and proposed Jewish settlements. Not only are these all across the West Bank, but also in Gaza. Already 674 people have signed up for beachside plots there, she tells me, and “many more want to join”. When someone asks her about settling Lebanon she smiles and says, “Yes, there too”.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When someone asks her about settling Lebanon she smiles and says, “Yes, there too”.

Great, more war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

As a Lebanese, I advise them that we are already destroying our country by ourselves!

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Settler is more accurate, and is a subset of invader. America were invaders in Iraq, but didn't invade to set up permanent settlements. Israel is invading Palestine in order to set up permanent settlements

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Coloniser is probably the best term, yeah

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It's not clear to me that the fundamental ideals of a liberal democracy are compatible with a state where one race or religion is held above all others; or with a state where some races or religions are considered less equal.

Arguably the US is still working on recognizing this idealism and didn't fully reckon with it until the 1960s.

[–] winterayars 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Basically everyone is sticking their head in the sand re: Israel being an Ethnostate. Basically "sure, but they deserve it". That had some credibility behind it 70 years ago. Today? Not so much.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I've come to find out that in-spite of having many Israeli friends and some family members, I had no idea about what Israeli culture and society were really like. It is mind-boggling to me that the only Jewish people I see speaking against genocide seem to be a part of the diaspora. Every time I hear or see a Jewish person from/ in Israel speaking on this issue, its like "Well its necessary" is basically the argument. Like, I'm sure there must be voices in Israel to the contrary, but I can't seem to find them.

Its as if Zionism has supplanted Judaism in Israel entirely and there is no distinction in current Israeli culture or media.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

There's definitely people protesting in Israel and have been since the start. But it is indeed unclear on whether they're protesting regarding their government's actions in Gaza or just protesting against Netanyahu more generally (which they had also been doing prior to all this anyways).

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I honestly feel like if the national powers at the time had been actually serious about the Jewish people deserving a homeland after the horrors of the Holocaust, then Israel should have been created out of a portion of western Germany.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (5 children)

And this isn't even the first time we've realized this either. Look at Ireland, and how they only achieved peace when they enforced equality with their power sharing agreement. Heck, look at the entire EU. Instead of Germany and France invading each other every 30 years, they just said "fuck it", and let their citizens live on both sides of the border. Trying to create ethnostates and encourage division never works.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

For years we kept being told that Israel had "Western Values" as part of the pro-Zionist propaganda in the West.

And indeed they do: 19th Century Western Values.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago

Why aren’t these terrorist training camps being bombed?

Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

Daniella Weiss, what a horrible person. She will probably never face justice for her crimes.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Fucking cultists.

(To be clear, Judaism in general isn't a cult, but these assholes' version sure looks like one.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Judaism is a cult, Christianity is a cult, Islam is a cult. They are all cults. Insane fantasies and power grabs. There aren't any good religions.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Zionism =\= Judism. and aparthied Israel does not represent the Jewish faith or people. It represents stinking hatful genocidal racism which no nation on the world should accept while in reality many fully enable and aide

Edit: why tf do you need to escape the backlash in my comment like I'm coding perl

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

You should probably use a double slash in that non-equality sign as a single slash will be seen as an escape character by some parsers and then not rendered. In my client it just shows two equal signs, i.e. the opposite of what you wanted to convey.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (22 children)

All settlers are terrorists. There are over 750k people living in the occupied territories. They need to gtfo asap. Their claims hold no water and there is absolutely no legal foundation to creating little settler colonies on another people's land. I'm talking about the West Bank and the other occupied territories here, not Israel proper.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

Just a friendly reminder, that Israel is an Apartheid state - according to the ICJ.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Can we stop calling them "settlers"?

Edit: "settlers" is an accurate term, but due to generations of teaching a white washed version of America's colonial history, the term doesn't hold the negative connotation that it should to average Americans. It just doesn't conjure the images it should, whether consciously or not.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (8 children)

They’re settlers. What they do is violently expel people from their homes in order to claim it for themselves.

Settlers are people who do that.

There’s no need to stop calling them the word that correctly describes what they do.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (17 children)

How about: invader, encroacher, intruder, illegal immigrant, trespasser, violator, infringer or conqueror?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Invaders would be more accurate.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

I don't see any daylight between these folks and the KKK this is basically the klan with different headgear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

That's what they are, even according to themselves they're settlers. Perhaps a more accurate term might be settler-colonial but I think just settler works (when you stop glorifying America settlers it especially works.)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They have become what they swore to destroy

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Nazis, more specifically.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not surprised. That's what Israeli settlers are doing for decades, not just since October.

Tell me how people should not get radicalized, when your home and existence and that of your family is constantly threatened.

I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas, they are brutal and wrong. But Israel created that beast themselves and left Palestinians with no other options.

If you want a more human focused instead of politics I would recommend to read Kingdom of Olives and Ash: Writers Confront the Occupation

Jewish author Michael Chabon and Israeli born author Ayelet Waldman asked writers, journalists, authors of both sides and not involved at all, to visit the occupied territories and write an essay about their expierience. It shows a heartbreakingly personal point of view of the situation before the current war.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks American imperialists for enabling these invaders

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The wild things is, their* religious leaders know they are worshipping a co-opted war god, that exists only in their shadows.

*Spelling

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Wow Israel really thinks the world will go like "welp it is now a conflict between civilians so the Israeli government can't be blamed". I bet they are praying that locals organise a defense against these invader settlers so that they can pretend like they have a good excuse to send troops.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

This already happens

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Settlers like this have forfeited their status as innocent civilians. This makes them active aggressors in my eyes.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There was an article about her a few months ago, and I wanted to again point out how Hamas's terrorist mickey mouse actually had more sound logic than this insane woman.

Farfour's grandfather explains to Farfour the history of the land. Tel Aviv, he explains, is the Jewish name for the land that was originally called Tel Al-Rabi and the Jews renamed it after occupying it in 1948. Farfour's grandfather gives Farfour the key and documents to the land and then he dies. Farfour exclaims "Grandpa entrusted me with this great trust but I don't know how to liberate this land from the filth of the criminal plundering Jews who killed my Grandpa and everybody." Farfour is then taken to an interrogation where he is "beaten to death by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land" because Farfour had called him a "despicable terrorist." The episode has what seems to be an editorial mistake as a brief flash of a "Farfour in prison" sign is shown immediately prior to Saraa explaining that "Farfour was martyred while defending his land, the land of his fathers and forefathers. He was martyred at the hand of the criminals, the murderers, the murderers of innocent children who killed Iman Hijo, Muhammad Al-Duro, and many others."

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

“God promised us this land and told us if you don’t take it, bad people will try and take it

And that attitude right there is why there will most likely never be peace in the region.

There are hard-line factions on both sides of the conflict who are convinced that their religion grants them a god-given right to exclusive occupation of the same piece of dirt.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

No, no! Israelis are nice people. The BBC told me and also I read it in a newspaper!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Even Shin Bet calls these people terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

in a reasonable country this would trigger a red flag law.

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