It is not anymore patriarchy but the ultra rich against the common people.
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2024
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Well, both
Edit: Class disparity and patriarchy are not mutually exclusive. How is this a hot take?
No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don't have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours..
When someone insists on "no war but the class war" they often mean "no war impacts me other than the class war, so that's the only war I'm interested in fighting".
I'm sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there's more to "no war but class war" than just dodging personal responsibility.
The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren't just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.
All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying "no war but the class war" is very "all lives matter".
Well said.
Well said
Always has been, it was just easier to disguise what they were feeding the masses when there was no internet
Surely at least back when women couldn't vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.
Yeah and I feel it was pushed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich were pretty much all men and controlled everything including the papers that most read back then. Ultra rich see any progress as an attack on their wealth
It has been to different extents at different times.
Right now we are at a 70-year peak. In the US, anyway.
What matters more than the genitals in your pants is the amount of money you have. If you have money you can buy politicians, judges, housing, food, weapons, armies, and the list goes on. If you have a dick and no money, you're nothing but a homeless person with no power at all.
This is the only dividing line that matters, everything else is secondary.
Patriarchy hurts men too. It's what labels a poor man as a loser who isn't able to provide for himself, rather than a vulnerable human being who needs help.
If that's true, that's great! You can just make some money and you'll get power. The only alternative is that you have some qualities that make you permanently not have power.
I prefer to use kyriarchy ti describe/conceptualize modern western culture
This is interesting. As a life-long feminist, a male, and a vulnerable person, it has always occurred to me that there is a generalization of the ideas of feminism that apply to all vulnerable people subject to the self-interested authority of others.
Holy shit, Wikipedia has an article on allonormativity. 🤯
Damn, never heard this but it's going directly into my vocabulary.
Kyriarchy encompasses sexism, racism, ableism, ageism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, classism, xenophobia, economic injustice, the prison-industrial complex, colonialism, militarism, ethnocentrism, speciesism, linguicism and other forms of dominating hierarchies
Anti-Catholicism? You mean the global formal hierarchy that’s solidly historically in support of fascism and against feminism? O…Kay. Why is that the literally only religion listed there? I get why you’d want to protect minority religious practices but why single out Catholicism?
Why is that the literally only religion listed there?
Actually, it's directly following Judaism and Islam, but lets not quibble.
I have covid brain right now, I am saving this for when I can comprehend things again.
It IS almost fall through! I'm so excited and I don't know why!
Hm seems like we're at the point where I should stop bothering with All's comment sections and just stick to my subscriptions like on Reddit
A few decades too late for that particular cause.
The most constructive cause right now is The World vs The 1%.
Take down capitalism but not the patriarchy, and all you're left with is a non-capitalist patriarchy. Which would suit some just fine, sure, but one thing it isn't is constructive.
What patriarchy? There's is no patriarchy. All we have left from that era are the ultra rich.