Israel has been terrorising civilians since thie founding. Mass murder is the defining characteristic of the Israeli national identity.
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2024
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Fucking terrorist state. Can't wait for it to be abandoned by the U.S. and be torn apart as it deserves.
Note for pedantics: I'm talking about the state and its apparatuses, not the citizens of Jewish people. Similar to the distinction between Third Reich and German citizens of the time.
The entire operation in Gaza has been terrorism this entire time, much more than it is "war." That's why I tend to put the word in quotes whenever I am talking about it. If you stop and think for a second, "war" fits the description of what they're doing pretty badly overall.
Deliberate attempts to prevent food aid to put pressure on the civilian population, and specific destruction of important civilian targets like hospitals and universities, as well as the explicit linkage of an end to Israel's attacks with particular goals like removing Hamas or particular terms in the peace agreement, being key elements. A war against armed opponents that are part of an organized apparatus whether state-sponsored or otherwise would look very different from what Israel is doing.
“war” fits the description of what they’re doing pretty badly overall.
I'm afraid not - as far as certain states are concerned, the slaughter of masses of civilians have pretty much always been what the term "war" means.
The firebombings of Hamburg and Tokyo are merely two examples on a laundry list of things that gets called "war" by the states that perpetrate them.
To a white supremacist settler-colonialist state like Israel, indiscriminately murdering masses of Palestinians with the push of a button isn't just "war" - it's glorious "war." When the other side shoots back, they don't call that war - they call that "terrorism." And they learned that trick from the imperialist states they also learned their white supremacism from.
Dude. No.
The occupation after the war sure wasn’t pretty, but the allies didn’t hang around for 75 more years oppressing the shit out of Germany and going back in any time they felt like shooting some civilians, or wandering into somebody’s house and saying hey this one is mine now, or destroying water supplies just for the hell of it.
They didn’t kill around 10% of the civilian population of Japan over the course of less than a year after the war after any real military threat was ended, just because they felt like getting back at them for Pearl Harbor.
Yes, all countries commit atrocities in war. War is the process of atrocity. It’s an abomination. But not every way of going to war is the same, and what’s happening in Gaza is so different from “collateral damage” or bombing civilians in an actual military conflict, even an unequal one, that to describe it as such is basically apologia on behalf of Israel.
but the allies didn’t hang around for 75 more years oppressing the shit out of Germany
Actually, they've been doing that ever since somebody decided to give Columbus his three little ships.
You're missing the point.
The only thing that's really unique to Israel's white supremacist genocide is that we get to witness it on our cellphones and desktops for the first time - it perfectly fits the historical pattern of colonialist genocide perpetrated by the (so-called) "West" (of which Israel forms a part) for hundreds of years now. And they called those genocides "war," too.
Oh! We’re talking about Columbus? Yeah, that was way worse than Gaza. Just an outright unapologetic slaughter of everyone.
I thought we were talking about Hamburg and Tokyo and the allies in WW2. IDK how I got that impression.
(I’m not sure what you’re trying to get out of this interaction, but I think I’ve pretty much said everything I was interested in saying at this point.)
It's not an assault or an attack - it's a modern-day sacking.
The only modern history equivalents to this is the infamous "Rape Of Nanjing" and the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto.
Using violence to achieve a political aim? Can someone help me answer this crossword question. It’s nine across.
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I'll be the last man on Earth to defend Israel, but this is how wars have always been fought, breaking the will of the population. The Allies pounded Axis civilians and the North hammered Southern civilians.
At some point in past decades, the world decided that terrorizing civilians was off the board. Maybe it's because we can see the results with our own eyes? Israel didn't get the memo.
During WWII, bombing civilians wasn't yet a war crime, but still frowned upon (Roosevelt wrote an appeal to stop it in September 1939 "Appeal to Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, and Poland to Refrain from Air Bombing of Civilians").
It has been a war crime for ~80 years now, so no, Israel doesn't have an excuse. Especially since directly bombing civilians wasn't something generally practiced by the allies, with exceptions like Dresden, which while being for terrorising citizens, was also because of how important Dresden was for German infra.
Israel is indiscriminately bombing help convoys, hospitals, schools and everything with the guise of being at war with a vaguely defined terrorist organisation and not even the country they're bombing, per se.
At some point in past decades, the world decided that terrorizing civilians was off the board. Maybe it's because we can see the results with our own eyes?
People have been arguing against that since as long as wars have existed basically, but definitely after WWI and certainly after WWII when it was codified.
It's rather interesting, really.
Especially since directly bombing civilians wasn’t something generally practiced by the allies
Bullcrap.
The mass-slaughter of civilians from the air became SOP for the allies by about 1943. The firebombings of cities like Dresden and Tokyo is still some of the most heinous mass-atrocities in modern history - if not all history. This secret is out of the bag - the (supposed) "military value" of these targets was secondary to the mass-slaughter of civilians - and the architects of these atrocities (like Curtis LeMay) wasn't shy about bragging about it, either.
And the US did even worse during the Korean and Vietnam Wars.
The bombing of Dresden which mainly targeted German civilians was one of the stupidest allied decisions in WW2 which only motivated the Germans to fight even harder.
Purely targeting civilians will only rally a population behind the armed resistance. Because armed resistance becomes the only option.
America has lost many a war from this.
Kind of like how Trump openly commits stochastic terrorism and the ~~crunchwrap~~ supreme court defends him giving him absolute immunity as if he were a king?