Holy shit, the Torries are getting slaughtered.
Well done, UK!
this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2024
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We need to keep in mind that this was an anti-tory vote, not a pro-labour one. This is shown by labour only increasing their vote share by 1.6% when compared with the previous election.
Labour need to ensure that they've made positive changes that the average person can feel by the time the next election comes around because you can guarantee that the Tories are already planning on how they're going to mop up the reform voters.
Last time it was ukip and as a result we got brexit, I dread to think what will happen next time
Prob the union with the american empire (while its collapsing)
As a non-brit, I hope this is a good thing that fends off the ever-popular fascists everywhere else.
In my opinion. It's really important what happens in the next 5 years and how the media reports that.
Fascist is a term that gets thrown around too lightly for people that they disagree with especially on this website.
There is two things seem to being going on. Britain has moved left. That's largely due to how much everyone hates the conservatives rather than labour winning votes.
But the unexpected thing is Reform gaining a lot of seats and becoming second in certain seats. Reform have run on changing the voting system, house of lords, reducing taxes for small business and low incomes, improving the NHS. But the real reason people are voting for them in reducing immigration both legal and illegal. This is why they have gained millions of votes and if this doesn't get addressed their share will continue to increase because they are the only party talking about it in the way people want. But even though Reform want to increase defence spending they are friendly with Russia and not good on the environment.
The door is definitely opening for the UK to swing further right than the current Tories in 5 years.
I think Brexit caused enough widespread, obvious, long term, ongoing, and unfixable pain for everyone that people are starting to see through the lies and move away from the ultra conservative side.
I disagree. The meteoric rise of Reform indicates that a large part of the country is moving further right, not left. In contrast, the gains by Labour in terms of votes were not what I had hoped for. What turned this into a land slide was reform splitting the right wing vote.
We/you need to spend the next 5 years addressing that problem or there are indeed bad times ahead.
Thanks for the good explanation.
But Brexit was also mainly about immigration and „taking back control“. The tories are pretty damn racist and anti-immigration, not that it makes any sense for an aging population on an isolated island. But their whole campaign was against the EU and against Eastern European immigrants.
The right has normalised an inhumane rhetoric all over Europe in the last 10 years. Politicians have tried to underhand the „concerns“ of citizens, the media has tried to expose the lies of the right wingers, they tried to prove through arguments that they make no sense. It’s all pointless, the right wing is gaining more and more ground even though we all know they’re lying, fear mongering and licking Putins boot.
So now we’re in this fortress called Europe and we’re totally fine with people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea, in the channel, getting beaten up and locked up at EU borders, rotting in Lybian concentration camps run by local warlords, if not being tortured and raped.
I honestly don’t know what else to address in terms of migration. More drownings? More torture? More concentration camps?
My guess is that there’ll be a continued competition over who’s the toughest on migration while our social systems, free speech and eventually democracy as a whole will erode in the background.
I'm from the US so I'm a little confused by the statement of :
looks set to secure the win with an estimated 410 seats - equating to an overall majority of 170
They are going to have 410 seats or are they increasing by 410 seats?
And explain the majority of 170 please. I'm lost.
There are 650 seats in total. 326 seats are therefore needed for a parliamentary majority. Labour are predicted to get around 410 seats, which would give them a majority of 84 seats (a huge majority). The 170 figure is how many seats they have gained this election. i.e. in 2019, they got 240, I think (410 - 170)
Thank you
Slight correction. The 170 refers to how many more seats they have compared to everyone else.
410 - (650 - 410) = 170
So 84 of their members could vote against a bill and it would still pass, which is significant. I think? I'm not sure how contentious votes are within party in the UK.
Projected they will win 410 in total.
326 required for overall majority.
652 seats - 410 Labour = 242 left for everyone else.
410 - 242 = majority of 158