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It is all about having a thin veneer of reasoning, no matter how wrong, it always is. So now they can advance to the next wrong thing with this new justification in their toolbox.

I'll say it again, but you can have a look at basically any position held by modern conservatives, anything, and it always end up being very wrong, based on paper-thin arguments. This is how they ended up with their own alternative reality, one very wrong conclusion at a time, wrapped in a thin argument. Conservative don't care to look pas the conclusion, some are in it for themselves, but I think most are just morons.

The worst American timeline

So Hawaii was a TOTALLY different case for a few different reasons:

1. By the time the electors needed to be submitted, they legitimately DID NOT KNOW who won the election. So they submitted two slates of electors, one for Kennedy, one for Nixon, with the proviso that only the slate for the winner should be counted when the tabulation happened in early January.

2. BOTH slates formed in the Hawaii '60 election were official slates chosen by the state. They weren't just a made up slate selected by god knows who.

They argued in court that the iconic characters on their shows are not journalists and that they aren’t a “news” channel for most of the day….and won.

They would say it's the cost of doing business.

This is one weakness of free soecieties. Even in good-natured reporting and arguments, it is very difficult to differentiate between a lie or a statement simply being wrong or different than yours. If you give an institution the power to decide what can be reported, what constitutes lies and such, this could get abused to silence all opposing voice.

This leave us extremely vulnerable to propaganda, since bad actors have access to the same immunity journalists earned over time. It really is hard to differentiate the two legally.

This leave only one way of getting rid of propaganda, and it is to prove intent. Have them admit that they're lying on purpose. I guess 1 strike for fox wasnt enough.

That's different, cuz she's... "urban" /s

These are not intelligent people.

Of course not. They're saying it's okay when they do it.

This is not a snarky reply. This is a fact we need to stop treating as obscure or questionable. Stop pretending their bullshit exists in any worldview where fairness applies. Don't even do it rhetorically. It is an obstacle to internalizing how conservatives think.

It's simple and it's nonsense and it's terrifying.

Meanwhile Trump is out there telling people to vote for him while also claiming that the votes don't matter because Republicans should just decide who wins.

No see, they’re Democrats. In/out-group behavior explains this perfectly. A member of the in-group can do no wrong, while a member of the out-group is never right. Instead of logic, the GOP functions mostly on tribalism and feelings, with classism and racism being two forms they use to appeal to the base. Religion being another. It’s not about a consistent philosophy. It’s about how it feels in the moment and does it help with the feeling of fear.

It's like FOX learned nothing from the fallout of the Dominion lawsuit

I mean, he’s employed by Fox, so…

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

The Narcissist's Prayer.

Standard Republican obstruction.

Global warming is not happening!
OK, maybe it's happening, but there's no evidence it's human caused!
OK, maybe it's happening, and maybe it's human caused, but doing something about it would be too large an economic burden! <- You are here.
OK, maybe it's happening, maybe it's human caused, and maybe the costs to fix it were less than the costs of doing nothing... but now it's too late anyway...

yup, and somehow they found out that it does not matter if you're always wrong publicly while being recorded. All you need to do is to never admit to it, and double down on the next wrong step really hard with extreme confidance. Throw in a few accusations that your oponents did worse, even if this is without merits, and voila. Using this simple trick you could become the most influential person in the world.

The Narcissist's Prayer (by Dayna Craig)

That didn't happen. <[ They are here]
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. <[ They are here]
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <[ They are here]
And if it is, that's not my fault. <[ They are here]
And if it was, I didn't mean it. <[ They are here]
And if I did, you deserved it. <[ They are here]

FTFY

Always have been, they were started by Nixon administration veterans who wanted to make sure the next time a Watergate happened they got away with it (which they pretty much did with both Iran Contra and the 2003 Iraq War)

This is kind of a pandora box. They need to prove intent, and probably link them to the coup with hard proofs. Otherwise you're just saying it is Ok for government officials to attack "journalists" (quotes for fox news respectively)

He took over Tucker Carlson's time slot, so you'll probably hear a lot more of his word vomit make it into headlines in the future. Fortunately, he seems like an idiot; unfortunately, the Fox News viewership is too dumb to notice.