If we used a voting system like Ranked Choice voting, it wouldn't matter! Biden could run all he wants and we could vote for someone else and if they didn't win... our vote would get transferred to the next in line (in this example biden).
That's probably why we'll never get ranked choice voting. It could mean a win for the general public in electing who we actually want, instead of what the establishment forces on us.
I feel like I'm going insane. How is this even happening right now? One of two presidential candidates is so old, that his own party is asking him to not run because he looked like an elderly person that got lost at the grocery store during a live presidential debate. The other is a deranged narcissist that was the previous president, clearly colluding with Russia, has be found guilty of 34 felonies, attempted to overthrow the previous election, and has explicitly stated he will be a dictator.
Biden is only like 18mos older than Trump. They're essentially equally old. Like a 2% difference in their ages.
Sure, but Trump didn't sound like he was lost at the grocery store. Most of what Trump said was nonsense he made up on the spot but he said it with confidence. Trump knows his supporters won't fact check him; Biden is burdened with the truth. It's not fair but we unfortunately need someone who can spar with Trump on stage. If someone flusters Trump on stage he will spiral out of control.
Out of two old men, I would prefer a bald man with a stutter who’s burdened by truth, than a bald man who’s such a compulsive liar he can’t remember which lie he told which group.
Great could you convince the rest of the nation or are we just taking about you here?
Trump sounds like he's lost all the time. He constantly wanders into deranged tangents. Why do we have to pretend otherwise.
Biden is 5 months short of being 4 years older than trump. Almost an entire presidency. I hate trump also but we have to stop saying Biden isn’t THAT old.
Being in the White House drastically ages the president, VP, and senior staff due to the insane amounts of stress and long hours that come with the job.
It's not easy.
Biden has been in the WH for 12 years.
trump for four, but he's too fucking stupid to be worried. So the stress never got to him. If he saw something he didn't like, he ripped up the paper, tried to eat it, then flushed it. And trump would have 100% forgotten about it immediately.
Which is why they can be essentially the same age (18 months is nothing in your 80s) but Biden seems so much worse. Biden is used to thinking about what to say, trump just opens his mouth and rambles like he always has.
But with all that being said:
We need higher standards to get Dem voters onboard. A bad candidate that's better than trump is still a bad candidate. We don't need someone who tries to think of what to say but can't say it, we need someone that can think of a competent response and then communicate that effectively.
but Biden seems so much worse
I don't get this take. Trump has been shouting incoherent word salad and confabulations for years at this point. Biden seems like a decent man who is too old for the job. Trump is a treasonous piece of shit rapist criminal who is also old and senile, and backed by actual fascists who want to take the US back to the dark ages.
I don't think voting will be enough, they tried a coup once and now they're being invited to try again since there were no consequences last time.
Trump has been shouting incoherent word salad and confabulations for years at this point
Exactly...
He's never put thought into what comes out of his mouth, he just opens it.
So while both are experiencing normal effects of aging, Trump's never made it a habit to use his frontal lobe, and that's where this shit hits first.
So there's no observable difference in his behavior.
Like, imagine you suffered a stroke and lost the ability to ride a bike. If you're Lance Armstrong it's a huge deal. If you're some 80 year old fat fuck who thinks exercise lowers your "battery" it has zero effect on your life because you dont ride a bike.
Biden was pretty unanimously labeled "the greatest modern political orator" back in the 80s. It wasn't even really debatable.
Seriously, he was at the absolute peak of his game and no one could touch him. But he lost it a long time ago, it didn't start recently. Look at the 08 debates and he's more than serviceable still, but already a shadow of his former self.
The fact that anyone (let alone half the country) would pick a literal traitor who failed in every way possible as president over a guy that had a bad interview while sick, with a B+ resume is ridiculous. Just a week ago the right was accusing him of doing drugs because of how well his State of the Union went. We avoided a recession and we're recouping from the pandemic better than any other country.
Hell, just look at the debate itself. Biden memorized 90 minutes (or 45 minutes) worth of facts and used them to back up every claim he had while Trump literally lied the entire time and took credit for everything Biden (or Obama) did.
Between all that and literally being the only thing that kept the Republicans from throwing the US into default with clever negotiations (seriously, the dude fucking manipulated McCarthy so bad he lost his job), the only thing crazy is that people pay so little attention to politics over the last 8 years that all they know is that he sounded weak during a debate.
Then you'll be remembered as the egotistical, arrogant piece of shit that doomed our Republic when you had the last best chance to save it. Like RBG but worse.
The Franz von Papen of his time.
The sheer audacity and hubris of this admin is negligent and infuriating.
"Democracy is under threat, but not enough for us to listen to any feedback about stopping genocide, forgiving student loans, or running a candidate who isn't terrifyingly out of it. None of your feedback matters to us."
That's exactly what I will expect him to say, right up until he leaves.
It is extremely disappointing that he didn't take this opportunity to gracefully step back. People who watched the debate saw his performance and him trying to say "Nah bro, I got this" is really stupid.
This is bigger than me, so I'll step aside to beat Trump.
Would pretty much guarantee whoever filled his spot became president.
But moderates demand 100% loyalty. Even if Biden thinks they're right eventually, he's not going to change his mind for "the left". Even when it's other moderates. He's been turning on a lot of allies immediately after they even questioned if he should stay in, and claiming CNN and the NY times all sorts of shit despite them backing him all the way up till now.
Biden has never been good at accepting criticism or dealing with confrontation. It's what torpedoed his first primary back in 88. If someone isn't with him, Biden considers them against him.
He's a lot like trump in that regard, loyalty is a one way street.
Would pretty much guarantee whoever filled his spot became president.
100%. Biden is and has been the worst possible candidate.
Biden definitely is thinking about Johnsons disastrous late departure from the race in 1968 leading to brawls on the convention floor and competing slates of delegates that ultimately led to Humphrey getting nominated. His loss was blamed on the chaos at the convention.
if he leaves at all it wouldn't be right before the convention.
This can't go all the way to the convention, because they made the convention so late. They actually have to make the formal nomination before the convention, in time to meet Ohio's deadline.
The only path forward is for Harris to take over the nomination. This is far easier if Biden resigns totally. He can say he's doing it for medical reasons, even if all he has is a chronic case of notgonnawinatall, complicated by inflammation of the opeds.
I suspect it's probably too late for the Democrats to switch horses now, but I hope that this finally pile-drives some smidgen of a lesson into them that they need to actually try to win elections rather than just assume that since they're not crazy or evil like the Republican candidates people will naturally prefer them. They need to pick candidates that the people like and put in the effort to run those candidates well.
There's still five months until the election, there's plenty that Biden can do between now and then to show people that he's a good choice. And then maybe this time once it's all over the Democratic Party can do a major rethink of what exactly they're doing with all this. Like they should have the last time they ran a candidate against Trump that they thought simply "deserved" to win.
I'm starting to think the best move might not be to replace Biden, but to swap out Kamala... Kamala has lower approval than Biden and missed her chance to make an impact during this term. If Biden had a strong VP, the question of his health wouldn't be as big.
A progressive VP would make me a lot more excited about voting Biden.
Especially since whoever's VP in Biden's next term would have a big leg up on running for president in 2028.
Democrats don't need to learn anything. You're forced to vote for them because of First Past The Post voting.
Just to save someone a click... the news article doesn't have a video of biden saying this. It was apparently a quote in a conference call between DNC leadership or something
Fuck this guy. The country and freedom are more important than his ego and hubris. A real leader would work to facilitate onboarding a capable candidate so we can avoid devolving into a christo-fascist hellscape.
Jan 1st, 2029, neither Trump nor Biden will be president of the United States.
If Biden wins this year, I’m pretty sure trump is both stupid and stubborn enough to run again in 2028 if he’s still alive, and I’m pretty sure the republicans are both stupid and stubborn enough to nominate him again.
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