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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

yeah, but that takes work and money - you know what's free? blame.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And don't forget, if you criminalise those things you can generate more profit for the prison system

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Not just from the fees prisons charge governments to house the criminals, either. It's also the profits from the slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the root problem with this way of thinking is believing that people who are saying these things are the same people that want these issues to be solved. deep down, they don't. these people just like to complain, lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

deep down, they don’t. these people just like to complain, lol

The root problem with this way of thinking is failing to realize that they don't "just like to complain;" their goal is to deliberately create an oppressed underclass to be exploited.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.

—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

[–] subverted_per 13 points 5 months ago

"But I don't want to fix the problem, I want to punish people." A conservative, probably.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Overdose prevention sites are still just treating the symptoms, but at least in a way that doesn’t attack the victims. Offer free meaningful rehab treatment to addicts like China did. They went from 30% of their population addicted to opium to nearly 0 within a few short years this way. We shouldn’t be encouraging destructive drug use, nor should we be criminalizing victims of drug companies and criminal organizations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

IMO, this is the data people who are arguing against it refuse to see.

Removing those resources isn't stopping the problem, it just pushes it deeper underground. And then it spills out into the neighborhoods/small towns that have been wrecked by it.

[–] Tar_alcaran 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Stupid people offend me. Can I interest you in some low cost public education?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

But building houses is so boring, let's spend 5mil on police military gear!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Logic. All logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Potatoes are food, not friends.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This guy has never been anywhere near an encampment. One of the ones near me is 15 yards from a rather clean public bathroom.

I regularly see these assholes shitting in the middle of the road instead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

As someone who has directly worked with those exact people:

Address the underlying problems, not the mentally ill victim

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

https://www.multifamily.loans/apartment-finance-blog/section-8-investing-a-comprehensive-guide/

Section 8 is profitable, the number of apartments avaliable is severly low, it's low yield investing, so people don't invest in it.

If you don't want them shitting in the street, Maybe you need a city ordinance that all housing companies that rent or lease more than 5 properties must be section 8 available. Maybe you need a law that section 8 isn't to be the red tape nightmare that it VERY INTENTIONALLY is, as Republicans who can't eliminate these programs often settle for making them so absurdly difficult to use that they might as well be eliminated. Maybe it can be a simple program that's easy to use, then the profitability will seem more attractive, as it's already a profitable program according to rental investment companies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Wow I wonder why those encampments exist in the first place?

It's as if they were constantly being chased off.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I see this guy has never tried to use a public restroom in san francisco... Providing public restrooms resulted in absolutely horrendously disgusting and unusable public restrooms that literally require a hazmat suit to clean, ignoring the needles.

The primary issue was the defunding and closure of mental health facilities. While far from perfect, we probably should've focused on improving them instead of throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves.

[–] brbposting 5 points 5 months ago

throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves

Tragic dereliction of public duty.

unusable public restrooms

Dolores Park

Ocean Beach

Golden Gate Bridge Welcome Center

Downtown BART (with full-time $$$attendant$$$ monitoring)

Wouldn’t eat on their floors, but they’re fine.

Might have eaten at the Lincoln Park Golf Course’s:

The sad thing to me about SF bathrooms ain’t their cleanliness. It’s that we only have one of these:

PS, TIL the original pissoir design didn’t try to show dong off to Muni: