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The prehistoric megalithic structure in England has been targeted by activists spraying orange powder paint, social media footage showed.

Environmental protesters sprayed paint on Stonehenge on Wednesday, with footage showing an orange powder covering some of the stones.

Two protesters dressed in white were seen running towards two of the megaliths, spraying paint, as another person attempted to stop them, in footage released by Just Stop Oil, an environmental activist group focused on the issue of human-caused climate change.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 months ago (6 children)

yknow what fuck it, i support this. i was a little on the reactionary side back when they were throwing soup,

but after seeing hundreds of comments saying “just do if you want something done” and then seeing those same people turn around and say “but safely blocking streets in protest is an affront to my rights, stop being annoying”

…i get it now. it’s cornstarch and will wash off. calling for “optics” is just concern trolling. people are hearing about it. that’s the point. fuck oil. keep up the messaging. people are going to starve and drown and bleed from war caused by climate change. we are gonna survive a few people yeeting nonpermanent shit at public art.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even if they did damage anything their message is that anyone getting mad about damaging works of art or heritage sites through direct action should be just as mad about people destroying the actual entire planet indirectly and calling for their immediate imprisonment too.

As annoying as I find them and as much as I want to preserve these things, they're exactly right that paintings and rocks mean fuckall if we ruin our only home.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

If it’s cornstarch that will wash off, then the headline is a lie and your quarrel is with whoever wrote that, not the people who believe the headline and believe stonehenge is getting actually defaced.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

True, but also there's the more general point about "I support the cause but not the method" naysayers being absolutely counterproductive. Climate protesters are finding themselves cut off from every method of protest, violent or not. Because lots of people want to continue business as usual in peace without those pesky tree huggers complaining about, y'know, the fact we're already well past the Paris 1.5 °C target with no end in sight

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah I'm on board now.

These stunts are a harmless way to keep climate activism in the media. It's fine.

Sadly, I don't see human kind changing course and I think it's inevitable that this kind of activism deteriorates into environmental terrorism.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (23 children)

Ffs just blow up a pipeline or sabotage parts of their infrastructure or follow the higher ups home and deface their homes.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (5 children)

,they said, sitting at home, doing nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And they did, literally destroyed a couple fuel pumps at two gas stations: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/just-stop-oil-protesters-sabotage-petrol-pumps-on-m25-motorway

Did you hear about that on the news? Did you see this being posted on Lemmy?

Now you know why they have to do what they do.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah those people who built that place definitely screwed up the environment. This will show them. Let's dig up their graves and piss on them to show the world we mean business.

Or maybe let's not screw up historical sites and go after big business and the ones actually destroying the environment.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I hate it too. But you're hearing about it and its here on Lemmy. So its working. Idk if bad rep is what they want. They should be trashing the industry buildings and business headquarters of the most polluting companies. They're getting arrested anyway and at least then they'd look like Captain Planet.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it working though? Does discussion of what absolute dipshits they are further the cause? I bet I'd hear about it if they bombed a refinery, but that takes some pretty serious commitment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

"Man, these people are dipshits", "climate change is a problem though"

That's an overall positive discussion that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

So these people are sacrificing their image for discourse about climate change.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You should probably specify which Captain Planet.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

This is okay with me

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They have spray painted those HQs as well, the news just doesn't cover it much. So far the only way to raise awerness has been to do stuff like this. Also they intentionally haven't damaged anything historic so this works with no issue, they know what they are doing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's like that internet law. The quickest way to the correct answer is to confidently assert an incorrect answer. Maybe the quickest way to getting noticed is whatever will entice the masses to "correct" your actions?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The amount of knee jerk rage I've seen over paint whenever one of these incidents happens. Its paint. It comes off. Its an extremely effective strategy to get attention while causing little to no damage.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (13 children)

In this case it's actually dyed corn starch so this would literally wash off from the first rain. And yea, this actually gets attention, when they spray painted car dealerships of some of the heaviest polluters, protested oil companies and when a guy set himself on fire to protest climate change it gets almost no coverage.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (39 children)

... God damn it, people. This accomplishes nothing and just makes people angry at you, dipshits.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Much like my witnessing PETA protestors screaming in the face of little children with a bullhorn because they happened to be waiting in line for the circus. I can support removing elephants from a life of circus performing, but I absolutely cannot stand PETA (for this and other reasons like euthanizing people's pets).

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I still subscribe to the theory that these people are hired actors from Big Oil. They are experts at being unlikable and naturally pushes me towards the opposing side. It sucks.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If a small group annoying you pushes you towards not caring about the climate, you never cared about the climate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Don't worry, it's not like I'm yielding. The point is that I find them to be detractors rather than attractors to join our common goal of not eliminating ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

genuinely i used to subscribe to the same theory

and then it switched. i think they’re here genuinely. not even sure what happened to change my mind. your mileage may vary? but i get where you are coming from.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

a reminder that the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it

I can't be the only counterexample of this ridiculous generalization.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it? Is it those same people?

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