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Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

fatal injuries during a minor crowd crush

minor?!?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kind of yes. Since Hajj brings 2-3 million people together, it was a minor crowd crush.

The major crowd crushes have resulted in deaths in double or even triple digits (in 2015).

Saudi Government has largely streamlined the movement of pilgrims, so I don't know where this crowd crush happened.

That said, I totally blame the government for inadequate response to the heat wave. While the article shares that the authorities distributed water and ice cream, it didn't help much in peak times. When I (a pilgrim) was returning on Jun 17, the crowd was barely moving and I could not reach the water at all since it was on the right end of the road, and I was on left, from where it's borderline impossible to move to the right without putting your life at risk.

Plus, I don't know who got the ice creams as I didn't see any.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I understand it is relative, but I personally would class any deaths as a major incident.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Good lord. How horrific.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“All of them [the Egyptians] died because of heat” except for one who sustained fatal injuries during a minor crowd crush, one of the diplomats said, adding that the total figure came from the hospital morgue in the Al-Muaisem neighbourhood of Mecca.

Earlier on Tuesday, Egypt’s foreign ministry said Cairo was collaborating with Saudi authorities on search operations for Egyptians who had gone missing during the hajj.

The pilgrimage is increasingly affected by climate breakdown, according to a Saudi study published last month that said temperatures in the area where rituals are performed were rising 0.4C (0.72F) each decade.

AFP journalists in Mina, outside Mecca, on Monday saw pilgrims pouring bottles of water over their heads as volunteers handed out cold drinks and fast-melting chocolate ice-cream to help them keep cool.

Saudi officials had advised pilgrims to use umbrellas, drink plenty of water and avoid exposure to the sun during the hottest hours of the day.

Hosting the hajj is a source of prestige for the Saudi royal family, and King Salman’s title includes “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques” in the cities of Mecca and Medina.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This will probably get removed but...

have you...Tried praying harder?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ITT: Islamophobia, believe it or not!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm just wondering if the mods are sleeping or if they think Islamophobia is acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

People deserve the chance of making fools of themselves in public.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not a phobia. And it is indeed acceptable to mock religious cults

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

Firstly, you don't know what phobia means. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/phobia#Noun

Secondly, if 550 people die and your instinct is to insult their religion, then no, I don't think that's acceptable at all.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this sub. I just noticed that one of the mods deletes all their comments after one day.

[–] catsarebadpeople -3 points 5 months ago

Must be a huge conspiracy!