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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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More than 550 hajj pilgrims die in Mecca as temperatures exceed 50C (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People at a rock concert wouldn't feel obliged to stay and would be able to leave without guilt or fear.

I don't understand why they didn't have anything set up to accommodate the Pilgrims to cool them off or maybe restrict access to a limited number of people to allow them to be spaced out enough to have some breathing room.

I know if a tragic event, but god damn religion is stupid. All religions. Even those that encourage monks to starve themselves or suffer for enlightenment. As an atheist this all makes no fucking sense.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

and would be able to leave without guilt or fear.

People can leave hajj at any time and come back later. They won't miss anything.

It's not an endurance event.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So why did they stay there?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

It takes a long time to leave because of the crowds. It's like Disneyland.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Even those that encourage monks to starve themselves

What religion do you think you're talking about here? Catholic monks don't starve themselves, and neither do Buddhist monks.

I don't think there's any religion that's like that. I feel like you're attacking a straw man.

Edit: Are you getting confused with the story of how the Buddha, pre-enlightenment, tried starving himself, and then taught that monks shouldn't do that?

As an atheist this all makes no fucking sense.

Maybe it makes no sense because you just made it up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You need to chill.

I didn't make anything up. There are people in South Asia that do these things to gain enlightenment. I do believe they are Buddhists but I may be mistaken.

Or mayby probably didn't get the memo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't make anything up. There are people in South Asia that do these things to gain enlightenment.

Your claim was that there are religions that encourage monks to starve themselves.

Now you're backtracking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The fuck are you talking about??

Man fuck off.

You're pulling a red herring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You're pulling a red herring.

What?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

I'm with ya on hating every aspect of religion, but you may be mistaking fasting for starving. The human body can survive long periods without food with no ill effects

I've fasted for 12 days before.

Maybe focus on the stupid shit like aan surviving being eaten by a "fish". Or a guy building a wooden boat and getting every species of animal aboard.