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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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More than 550 hajj pilgrims die in Mecca as temperatures exceed 50C (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

fatal injuries during a minor crowd crush

minor?!?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Kind of yes. Since Hajj brings 2-3 million people together, it was a minor crowd crush.

The major crowd crushes have resulted in deaths in double or even triple digits (in 2015).

Saudi Government has largely streamlined the movement of pilgrims, so I don't know where this crowd crush happened.

That said, I totally blame the government for inadequate response to the heat wave. While the article shares that the authorities distributed water and ice cream, it didn't help much in peak times. When I (a pilgrim) was returning on Jun 17, the crowd was barely moving and I could not reach the water at all since it was on the right end of the road, and I was on left, from where it's borderline impossible to move to the right without putting your life at risk.

Plus, I don't know who got the ice creams as I didn't see any.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I understand it is relative, but I personally would class any deaths as a major incident.