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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're the first to complain that they aren't being included.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're the first to complain that they aren't the only ones talking.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Decrying cancellation on the front of a newspaper.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

That's the trouble with public service broadcasters, they are not immune from political interference.

Jeremy Corbyn got it right, rather than make the controller a political position make them accountable to a independent body. This should go some way to repairing the BBC's bias problem.

It won't happen though they are too good a propaganda outfit. Who for? The establishment. Whichever party is in power. So, you want to change the BBC? You need to change government.

And for those that advocate abolition, at least with the current system, you have one lever of power. Good luck in influencing Rupert Murdoch to sway his reporting.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Scrabbles around looking for shocked face Pikachu

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sorry, Pikachu wasn't right wing enough.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Does the 9 year window chosen for this co-inside precisely with when production was outsourced?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fortunately, forty years of mostly questionable social science has proven, albeit very inconclusively, that visual media has no effect whatsoever on the viewer. Which is why this sort of thing is, as they say, No Big Deal.

This academic review is brought to you by the upstanding fellows at Shell Oil, The Deutch-Russo Benevolent Fund, and Cambridge Analytica. As you were.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

"...Things like that, you know, the usual big guy lies" said Ford Prefect "You know, I'm not even so sure they were wrong" said Zaphod Beeblebrox in a relaxed tone. "I mean suuure, maybe on some idiotic races here and there like humans or..." "What? What about humans?" Piped Arthur Dent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'm shocked, shocked I say.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This bias has been known and commented upon in UK political forums for over a decade. This, for instance, is parr for the course.

The show also constantly used rightwing hacks from client media or thinktank spokespeople when filling the non-politician spot. It got to the point that if felt that Kate Andrews had been burnt onto my monitor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Turn the ship, turn the ship!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

No way? A tory-run organisation is amplifying voices sympathetic to their cause? I am shocked.

[–] thetreesaysbark 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Standard British sarcastic comment...

It's almost as if right wing people shouting loudly gets more viewers, be it with those that agree with them or not.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Looks at their political presenters...no way

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Am I missing something or does this article not provide a link to the study? Red flag there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The data is in the article

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A selection of the data is in the article.

What's their methodology, what's their assumptions, what's their references? If you want to look credible and trustworthy in your analysis you should provide links to this sort of information. Otherwise you might be accused of misinformation.

I'm not saying either way, but I am asking where this can be found. I don't think that's unreasonable, right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It seems like all of the data is in the article to me. There are searchable tables on all of the criteria and the information comes from the publicly accessible TV show that is being studied. I'm sure if you trawled through every episode and charted the guests yourself, it would be easy to point out anything false.

It looks like the study is still ongoing and has not been "published" in that it has not been written up and peer reviewed, but this is an article about the raw data collected and drawing some conclusions from that alone.

Even if it were peer reviewed and published in a journal, the peers would not go through and verify the data before publication.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's all fine and good. I just thought it was odd that they don't mention this. I'm not sure why they didn't. But I only spent a few minutes looking at the article, it was just something that crossed my mind. Usually this a big red flag when talking about and presenting data, that's all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

There are articles about studies, and there are articles of investigative reporting. This is the latter.