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Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 05/30/2024

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.   Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.

There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.

The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Damn, I don't think I felt like this since election night, 2020.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Where are all the people who insisted that this would be a hung jury / acquittal? This was an easy and quick decision. I told you NYC would do this before the weekend.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well hopefully, they're celebrating having been wrong.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I think they've moved on to claiming Trump will never be sentenced to anything and will appeal it forever.

This is not a complicated case. His signature was on 9 of the 11 checks and there was so much testimony linking him to the crimes. Michael Cohen played a secret tape of him and Trump discussing it!

The judge bent over backwards to make the trial fair and any appeals will probably be rejected. There's just nothing to appeal.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was very worried that some magabrain slipped their way in there and would spike this. I'm glad I was wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, it would only have taken one jury to hang it and worrying about that makes sense. Happily thus has worked out in favour of justice, but it was not a given and people were right to fear that outcome. Hopefully we will see the predicted change in likely voting outcomes from unaffiliated voters and thus can be the end of MAGA over the next couple of election cycles.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jballs 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah feels like breathing the same sigh of relief. Just hoping now another January 6th situation doesn't happen as a follow up.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I mean, the timing is all wrong. J6 had a series of dependencies associated with it.

Like, they are fucked for timing right now. Couldn't be a worse time this could have happened electorally. I guess he can campaign from prison?

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man... As the verdicts rolled in, I could genuinely feel my stress fading. This fucker has finally, finally been forced to experience a negative repercussion for his actions, and I can't wait to see him experience more.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

No he hasn’t.

He wasn’t even remanded to custody.

He hasn’t been sentenced.

If the sentences are punitive monetary fines, then his “consequences” are nothing more than he’s ever had to deal with. He’ll just keep doing what he’s always been doing and raid the Republican money chest to pay his expenses.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

I know somebody has to come out to play devil's advocate at every turn. Yes the sentence could be a nothingburger. Yes he will appeal no matter what.

At the very least, I can now call him convicted felon Trump. Justice has prevailed at least in this part.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)

This was also the weakest case against him. Once he loses in November I can't wait to watch him deal with this shit 3 more times. He's either going to die in a courtroom or a jail cell.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (14 children)

So... Anyone else "working" right now?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's 5P on the east coast, I haven't been working for the past few hours, lol (though unrelated to this).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

I'm a west-coaster. But I have completely stopped working.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Ladies and gentlemen, former reality TV star and convicted felon Donald Trump

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Disgraced, twice impeached, adjuducated rapist, convicted felon, former President Donald J. Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Verdict: Trump is guilty on all 34 counts

Timeline/updates: Judge Merchan announced that he received a note saying the jury has a verdict (4:20 PM EDT)

Merchan asked for 30 minutes for jury to complete paperwork (4:30 PM)
edt: Merchan announced that the jury asked for 30 minutes. Unclear if that was from 4:20 or when he announced it closer 4:30/4:40ish

Manhattan DA Bragg and the judge's clerk have entered the courtroom. Bragg, appropriately, sits behind the attorneys from his office who tried the case (4:55 PM)

Merchan has returned to the courtroom (5:00 PM) NYT clarified that the jury requested 30 minutes at 4:20. They are about to enter the courtroom. Merchan asked if both sides are ready; both sides responded affirmatively.

Jury is returning (5:05 PM)

Verdict: GUILTY on all counts

They initially read the counts 1 by 1 and then were asked if all counts were guilty counts and they replied "Yes". Trump was slack and motionless the whole time (5:10 PM)

The officer has asked if either party wants a jury poll. The defense has said they do. (5:14 PM)

Todd Blanche, defense attorney, makes a motion for the verdict to be tossed because of Cohen's testimony. Motion denied. the lawyers approached the bench. (5:16 PM)

Blanche asks for a mid-July sentencing hearing (5:17 PM)

Sentencing set for July 11th, 10am, four days before the RNC where Trump will be nominated as his party's candidate (5:18 PM)

The judge dismissed the parties after asking about Trump's bail. He announced that he will be released on his own recognizance. Trump leaves, described as red in the face, after shaking Eric's hand.

Outside the courtroom" “This was a disgrace,” Trump says. “This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt.” (5:21 PM)
Other comments from NYT: Trump is significantly less animated than he has been as he rattles off the familiar lines that have characterized his remarks in the hallway for much of the trial. He seems more sober.
Trump spoke for less than three minutes in total. He did not answer a shouted question by a reporter who asked why Americans should vote for a convicted felon.

Other notes:
Eric appears to be the only other Trump present.
Trump was calm, descibred as "slack" during the reading of the verdicts. During jury polling, he looked at the jurors, then looked back in front of him, towards the judge.

Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/30/nyregion/trump-trial-verdict and https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-30-24/index.html

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. It's a rigged trial, a disgrace. They wouldn't give us a venue change. We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.”

I hope the judge takes his complete lack of contrition into account when sentencing. If Cohen did time, Trump should do time.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The contempt x10, the fact Cohen did time in prison for the other side of this thing, the attacks on the judge's daughter and family, staff, intimidation of jurors and witnesses...

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

COUNT #1: GUILTY!
COUNT #2: GUILTY!
COUNT #3: GUILTY!
COUNT #4: GUILTY!
COUNT #5: GUILTY!
COUNT #6: GUILTY!
COUNT #7: GUILTY!
COUNT #8: GUILTY!
COUNT #9: GUILTY!
COUNT #10: GUILTY!
COUNT #11: GUILTY!
COUNT #12: GUILTY!
... COUNT #34: GUILTY!

GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Combo guilty!

Guilty-Overkill!

Guiltrosicty

Guilt-a-mangaro

Penta-guilty!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago

GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!

ABSOLUTE CONSENSUS FROM JURY!!!

[–] jballs 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Guilty on all 34 counts. Get fuuuuuuuuuuucccked

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Wanna learn more about the rulings surrounding Trumps 34 charges?

Search for: "Donald Trump Rule 34"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (9 children)

It has now been brought to my attention that you can take the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles song and instead sing:

Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Less than 12 hours, but I bet it felt longer in the room.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago

New York does not fuck around.

E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

The People of the State of New York and Attorney General Letitia James v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

The People of the State of New York and District Attorney Alvin Bragg v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

Three up, three down.

Now get the fuck outta here.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Might be wishful thinking or stale in 15-30 minutes but I think they at least get him on the checks. I imagine we'll all be very disappointed if/when sentencing occurs though.

Edit: Welp, call me pleasantly surprised. Get fucked!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (12 children)

My prediction on sentencing is that he gets x number of 4 year terms to be served concurrently, then spends 10 years fighting it in court.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

My secret wish is to see him get a form of community service that is supremely humiliating to someone like him. Show his distaste for actual work, undercut the persecution narrative by going "soft", and kill his campaign. Honestly though, this one is going to need a good judge. It's hard to be dispassionate when sentencing, especially in this context. Merchan seems alright, I think he'll be fair, even if I hate it because the bastard doesn't deserve anything but what he's given out.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

All 34 counts. Guilty.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm currently watching the Trump presser the day after, and he's straight up violating his gag order, spending awhile talking about Cohen, basically saying "I can't talk about him, but his name rhymes with Mohen, they call him a fixer, and ..." The whole thing is nuts but just thought that was a bit special.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So, it's Biden's fault, it's the DA's fault, it's the corrupt judge's fault. Everyone but you Donny.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (7 children)

To be clear: "no bail" means "Donald Trump is allowed to remain at liberty without bail" and not "He must stay in jail until sentencing"

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

This is a psychic blumpkin. I am metaphysically shitting and orgasming at the same time. I feel so cleansed.

[–] jballs 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Ahhh my popcorn isn't ready!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I know a lot of us are cynical and don't have high expectations for sentencing, but...

Right now, Trump's feeling pretty shitty. He has no idea how the sentencing will go. No guarantees he won't be forced to suffer. This is consume him for weeks at the least.

When he goes to sleep tonight, all he'll be thinking about is 'I could go to prison'.

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