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Carter built houses for 4 decades after his presidency mismanaged the Iran hostages, energy crisis, and 70s inflation (though I’m not sure he deserves credit for the last one).
Bush is ~~eating~~ playing with paint and hiding from his mismanagement of the 9/11 attacks and subsequent unrelated war he started.
his presidency mismanaged the Iran hostages
That was mainly the Reagan campaign paying the terrorists to hold the hostages until Reagan could take credit.
(though I’m not sure he deserves credit for the last one)
He doesn't deserve the blame for either of them. He's one of if not THE most slandered US president in history.
It's an interesting way to manage the guilt of sending so many men and women to their deaths for nothing.
It wasn't for nothing, it was to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to defense companies and their shareholders.
And avenge daddy
Such a noble cause. Shareholders were ignored for too long!
I doubt he is capable of feeling guilt.
Dubya did a reverse Hitler:
He committed countless war crimes and other atrocities, the effects of which will be painfully felt by hundreds of millions of people for the rest of their lives. Then he started painting.
He's actually a very good painter.
Too bad he didn't pursue an art career and opted to destroy the world instead. Having been born independently wealthy, he could have made it in the art world easily.
This reminds me of someone else who didnt get to pursue a career in arts and instead tried to destroy the world.
Yet another I wish stuck to art instead of going into politics!
I remember seeing that that’s what he’s doing now and this is like… the saddest example of injustice
Kissinger.
Okay you got me there
George W. Bush Institute, will be featured as part of Disney’s enduring admiration for those who serve in the U.S. Armed Forces and veterans
Damn America goes hard on propaganda.
I see he isn’t dead yet.
Ngl. That picture looks more like a guy trying his best not to look like he doesn't know what he's doing, than a seasoned painter mixing his oils.
It's like this is your first time seeing a picture of the man. I'm not sure that he's ever appeared to know wtf he was doing in any situation. Every picture of him could have a speech bubble saying "I just got here. What's going on?"
What happened to separating art from the artist?
I was wandering that too. Art is art. I can apreciate without voting dor it
I’m not going to say it’s not “art,” but this is basically the level of sophistication that parents get from their kid to hang in their diner. If this was actually painted by anyone who wasn’t the ex-president, it wouldn’t be noticed by anyone, much less exhibited.
Its defiantly above the level of well done sweety I'll hang it on the fridge here.
Why go to so much effort to discredit an artwork just cos u dislike the creator? Also when was the last time u listened to Michael Jackson?
I didn’t say “hang it on my fridge,” I said “hang it in my restaurant.” It’s not like a five year old, but it’s like a high school student. You can look at his paintings online and see how he developed over time.
I’m not discrediting it - I’m saying it doesn’t have great vision, great technique, or innovation. He’s been doing this for ten years, and he is still at the level of “That’s great! Keep practicing!”
It’s fine though. Painting is a great hobby. I don’t have a problem with him painting, and I don’t have a problem if his political loyalists want to imbue them with some value. I read a fun article from about a decade ago intentionally overanalyzing his shower-selfie painting.
What I am saying is that there is nothing special about his paintings except the fact that he’s the one who painted them. I’m not comparing W to Hitler, but Hitler’s paintings were also pretty bad, and the only reason why anyone looks at them today is because they were painted by Hitler.
Sure its nothing special but its still interesting to see how a man if such influence expresses themselves.
And I'd disagree some of Hitlers painting have legitimate artistic merit.
Thats was my point exactly. Michael Jackson has a lot of good music, Kevin Spacey's Keyser Söze is an amazing character... You can and I think should separate man from art.
I have no idea where the disconnect is. I don’t care that the paintings are by W, I’m pointing out that they’re amateurish and that if they weren’t by W they wouldn’t be exhibited. It has zero to do with my artistic judgement being informed by knowing the artist.
I don’t actually listen to MJ very often, although I do enjoy his music and appreciate his contributions to both music and dance. I do tend to avoid work by people like Weinstein, Spacey, and Joanne Rowling because I would prefer not to contribute even incrementally to their income or the perception of public support.
But in particular, as someone who does not believe in free will, I don’t believe in the idea of culpability. I believe that if you physically recreated W’s brain in perfect detail and put it into someone else, you’d get the exact same outputs to the exact same inputs. Even if you want to include some kind of randomness from quantum effects, that doesn’t make for free will, it’s just randomness. That’s the opposite of free will.
So although it might be a natural reaction from me to hate W or Trump or Hitler, I try to remind myself that it’s all neurophysiology and neurochemistry (plus other aspects of physiology) as informed by factors such as learning and genetics.I can pretty much guarantee that, were we to do neuroimaging on Trump’s brain, we’d find a hypertrophic amygdala and a hypotrophic prefrontal cortex. Simplifying a bit, you can think of those as the primitive fear center and the rational consideration parts of the brain. No one with that kind of neuroanatomy is going to behave in a rational and controlled manner, especially under stress.
I might hate the harm they cause and want to prevent it, but there’s no “self” inside of them for me to hate.
Agree but art is subjective. He is a nepo baby to begin with, and a white straight rich man, so does he have more oportunity for exposure?! For sure! But again that does not devalue art. Maybe for someone this is good enough, idk
To be clear, I explicitly stated that I wasn’t saying it’s not art. It is art, and I am all for people embracing their creativity. I think more people should be painting/sculpting/playing music/etc., especially in retirement. What I’m saying is that as much as someone might get a kick out of playing Wonderwall doesn’t mean they should be getting a public concert at Epcot.
Although if I was in the neighborhood I’d probably pay $15 to see Dick Cheney play a self-taught version of Wonderwall if he was also singing.
Roland Barthes just came a lil bit because you said that