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[–] [email protected] 115 points 3 months ago

Intuitively speaking, how many times does half of a thing fit into a quarter of a thing? The answer is, exactly one half time.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How many halves fit into a quarter? Half of them

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

That's exactly how I think of it, so strange someone downvoted you

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

✅ Math is hard

❌ This math is hard

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

0.25 / 0.5 = 0.5
0.25 = 0.5 × 0.5
1/4 = 1/2 × 1/2

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

p/q=q

So q=√p

Works with a lot of numbers ☝🏻🤓

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Ehhh |q| = √p but close enough

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

This is why "divide by half" and "divide in half" are two different things

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It won’t keep you up if you just think of Divide as just multiplying by the fraction

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I was gonna comment that 0.25*(1/0.5) = 0.5 doesn't look nearly as weird

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I didn’t specify fully, but I was just thinking 1/4 * 2/1

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Imo, as soon as you write it as 0.25 multiplied by a fraction it works, because you can then easily see that it's the same as (1/4)*2

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The math looks perfectly fine. But when people phrase "half of a quarter" I think they have (1/2)*(1/4) in mind, instead of 0.25/0.5

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you give half a person a quarter of a thing, how much would you be giving a full person? That's right baby, half a thing. Don't sweat it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I worry that people who can get onto the internet find fractions a challenge.

[–] southsamurai 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's why my favorite way to troll the usual "why isn't everyone on metric" goombahs is to tell them they're just too lazy and/or dumb to do math with fractions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I'm too lazy, but really - why make life harder than it has to be?

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[–] TheSlad 15 points 3 months ago

x / sqrt(x) = sqrt(x)

Damn who would've thought?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Divide by 1/2 or multiply with 2/1. It's an equivalent transformation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just think of division as how many times the right expression fits inside the left expression. 0.5 fits into 0.25 only 0.5 aka 1/2 times, because only half of it fits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Precisely this. The people not getting the OP are why Common Core was developed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

The numbers between zero and one are where all of the fun is!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A quarter is one half of one half. Makes perfect sense.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I think, it is the real world logic that makes it hard to grasp. If you divide something with something small it becomes bigger. Mathematically it's easy and makes sense, but it it's somehow not intuitive. Especially for young me :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

That's the same as 2/2=1 3/3=1 268/268=1 ...

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This just comes down to the fact that "dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying by the inverse of the fraction" is an easy rule to follow but not particularly intuitive. In natural language, when most people hear "divide by half" they're actually picturing "divide by two" in their head.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This don't avoid to sleep not even for 1/2 second. But pick any number. If that number is even, divide it by 2. If it's odd, multiply it by 3 and add 1. Now repeat the process with your new number. If you keep going, you'll eventually end up at 1.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, but everyone tried since a century to find a number with which it don't work, good to avoid sleep.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Any positive number?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

2^-2 * (2^-1)^-1 = 2^-2 * 2^(-1 * -1) = 2^(-2 + -1 * -1) = 2^(-2 + 1) = 2^-1 = 1/2 = 0.5

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Multiplication of x times 6:

x * 6 = 1/2 x * 10 + x

This can sometimes be a shortcut for numbers that are easier to divide by 2 than to multiply by 6.

Take half as tens and add the number.

6 * 6 = 30 + 6 = 36

8 * 6 = 40 + 8 = 48

150 * 6 = 750 + 150 = 900

320 = 1600 + 320 = 1920

Etc.

Sleep well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So an extension of the x * 5 = x/2 * 10 shortcut

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Multiples of 5 are easy enough in my opinion, but the principle can be used for all kinds of stuff when trying to calculate quickly.

For instance 9x =10x-x is usually faster than 9x (at least for my brain).

I once talked to an old guy who called it "little math", because it fits in your head instead of having to use paper and pencil at the desk. It must have been taught differently before I was born. I work with numbers, and I've often encountered these old geezers who can eyeball a number close enough to make a decision before I can boot my pc and put everything through Excel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I like that there's a name for it. I always try to do that if possible. Division by 25? You mean multiply by 4 and divide by 100. Convert miles to km? That's x + x/2 + x/10.

Not sure if qualify as old geezer, you never know on the internet. I'm old for most people here, but you mention Excel, so you sound closer to my age :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

,25/,5 x 100/100 = 25/50 = 1/2

Why was that hard?

100/100 = 1, because any number divided by itself is 1.

And any number multiplied by 1 is still that number.

TBH, I moved the decimal over 2 places on the numerator and denominator and simplified 25/50 to 1/2 because It is easier to do in my head. Some of the other paths are too complicated when I am going to sleep.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Man, I thought this is an ADHD meme when trying to sleep and your brain starts to do random shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Please use parenthesis to avoid ambiguity. N/1/2 could also mean N/2...

(Also I think you made a typo "2N/2" should be "2N/1")

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

thank you very much

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That's 2x2=4 level of stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

(1/4) ÷ 1/2 = 2/4 = 1/2 = 0.5

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