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[–] nkat2112 106 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The article lost me at "[Trump's] no-nonsense New Jersey crowd at a rally".

Am I supposed to assume that the folks showing up at a Trump rally are no-nonsense? I beg your forgiveness, but I'm struggling with that one. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

As for "draws yawns" and "raises eyebrows", cool stuff if some of these folks are feeling fatigue from the hate machine or are newly perplexed by their political leader. Better late than never, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Frankly a no-nonsense crowd implies existence of a nonsense crowd for Trump and frankly I miss the fun crazy. The genocidal crazy is getting to be too much these days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

All the death from COVID was just "fun crazy", eh?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The “fun crazy” was just a distraction while he raped the nation and the planet. The one place you won’t see the scam is where the street hustler tells you to look.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah, instead of no-nonsense they could've write "sense"...

[–] Aurenkin 60 points 3 months ago (2 children)

At first I thought it read "praising cannabis" and I was like, wait that doesn't make sense, better re-read it ... then it made even less sense...what the heck is going on? We have puppy killers and cannibal praisers who believe they should be leading the US, and the worst part is that people vote for them, a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you've ever listened to Trump speak for even a minute and you think "yep, that's my guy", you're totally lost already. And those people will still vote for him no matter how unhinged he or how obvious his dementia becomes.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's what I don't understand. Don't like Biden? I get that. Undying loyalty to Trump? What? Why? Just listen to him speak. He's an incoherent idiot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

He tells it like it is

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He's an incoherent idiot.

so, he's someone most of his followers can directly relate themselves to

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a quote from the rally. It is very unclear the intent of this paragraph, nonetheless it is talking about cannibals.

Silence of the Lambs. Has anyone ever seen The Silence of the Lambs? The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man. He often times would have a friend for dinner. Remember the last scene? ‘Excuse me. I’m about to have a friend for dinner,’ as this poor doctor walked by. ‘I’m about to have a friend for dinner.’ But Hannibal Lecter. Congratulations. The late, great Hannibal Lecter. We have people who are being released into our country that we don’t want in our country, and they’re coming in totally unchecked, totally unvetted.

[–] Aurenkin 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why is it that the more detail you read about these things, the less sense it makes. What the hell is going on in that block of text? It's like the literary equivalent of one of those magic eye puzzles where you feel like there must be something there but you just can't make sense of it no matter how much you squint at it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remember back in 2015 people were saying that trump was saying that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. I thought, “I wonder what he actually said that got chopped up and editorialized this way?”

Every day after that has been me realizing that if you dig any deeper on the stupid shit it just gets stupider. We will kill off the planet because one time trump bought a cheap led bulb that didn’t flatter his natural orange glow quite enough and now we can only have coal fired power plants. Every stupid thing he says has an even stupider story behind it which itself probably has an even stupider story behind that and on and on. It’s truly astounding

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I personally prefer to just burn the coal right in my house. I like my light from the source. Not from this processed and sanitized thing that the kids are calling electrickery.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For people wondering about the cannibal thing, there is the full quote.

Silence of the Lambs. Has anyone ever seen The Silence of the Lambs? The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man. He often times would have a friend for dinner. Remember the last scene? ‘Excuse me. I’m about to have a friend for dinner,’ as this poor doctor walked by. ‘I’m about to have a friend for dinner.’ But Hannibal Lecter. Congratulations. The late, great Hannibal Lecter. We have people who are being released into our country that we don’t want in our country, and they’re coming in totally unchecked, totally unvetted.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope that came out of his mouth at a rally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I had to double check because wtf

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This really is going to come down to who can lose the most voters, isn't it?

[–] phdepressed 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hard to tell how much Biden will lose. He's definitely not liked but a lot of the "not going to vote because Palestinian genocide" is probably trolls (likely Russian/Chinese). Things would be worse for Israel and Ukraine under Trump and they know it. I'm more interested in whether Dems can be shifted further left to stop the genocide, help Ukraine more, and get some basic rights back.

Trumps' base is still loyal but I think many non-extremists are just fucking tired of him and his ilk. His base is also old and more Rs than Ds died by not vaccinating.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but a lot of the "not going to vote because Palestinian genocide" is probably trolls (likely Russian/Chinese). Things would be worse for Israel and Ukraine under Trump and they know it.

What a load of crap. Opposing a genocide and the people providing them the means to do it makes you a Russian troll now in this bizarro timeline that we're in?

I'd love to hear your explanation for how things could possibly get worse for Palestinians. Are they going to start double murdering people?

[–] phdepressed 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

More weapons and egging the IDF on, not giving even the aid they get now. No air drops, no "red line" for ground invasion and full eradication. Possible US military involvement. Not even verbal reprimands about hostage killing and war crimes. Strong pressure on other governments to support Israel "or else".

Needing to support Israel was one of the first things the house GOP used to prevent aid for Ukraine, requiring them to be tied together. It is already horrendous but Trump and the GOP would take making it worse a challenge.

Murder on both sides, less murder on one side more murder on the other side. When those are the options I'll pick less murder.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

More weapons and egging the IDF on, not giving even the aid they get now. No air drops, no "red line" for ground invasion and full eradication. Possible US military involvement. Not even verbal reprimands about hostage killing and war crimes. Strong pressure on other governments to support Israel "or else".

You may want to so some more reading as nearly all of this is already happening.

The GOP were being obstructionists over funding for Ukraine simply because they're contrarians and must oppose anything Democrats put forth. The GOP is also the party full of skinheads and antisemitic conspiracy theories. Do you think they really give a shit about Israel?

[–] phdepressed 1 points 3 months ago

I would also point to the recent Republican bill that stops Biden from preventing or slowing weapon shipments to Israel something he had used to prevent a ground invasion.

[–] phdepressed 1 points 3 months ago

Israel lobbies both sides and owns more of the GOP than they do Dems. Look at the votes, look at what they say, look at their funding. The GOP uses support for Israel to antisemitism the same way as saying " I have a black friend" is to racism. Most Dem voters no longer support what Israel is doing, as originally retaliation against Hamas made sense. As that turned from anti-hamas with some collateral damage into a genocide support by Dems has continued to reduce. Most GOP voters still support Israel (according to various polls). Pro-Israel dems have also been primaried in a number of races (e.g. against members of "the squad" who are against the genocide). The GOP continues to support Israel "getting on with it" and the "settlers". If it was just for show by the GOP it wouldn't have needed to be added to the final aid bill that passed. The GOP and conservative/bought Dems did similar things back when Obama was president to prevent support for Palestinians.

Republican House Speaker https://theintercept.com/2024/01/20/israel-aipac-house-mike-johnson/

Trump https://time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

And since the GOP doesn't care about brown people there will be worse if Trump wins.

And then you'll also have a Ukrainian genocide at the same time as Trump withdraws and vetos any support going there. So double less murder better than more murder.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago

It’s not just Gaza, though. There’s a lot there and it was always going to come down to who loses the most votes.

It’s not going to be an easy election for Biden.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

When we said to "eat the rich" we didn't actually expect Hannibal lecter to be involved.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

A lot of comments are questioning Trumps appeal after listening to him talk, but I think I understand why he’s appealing to his base and I think that it’s the same reason many are finding Biden a repellant: people are mired in uncertainties about their futures, their families futures and that of things they thought were tried and true (work hard, get job, get house and raise family). People like how Trump sounds certain and sure and strong, even if some of them don’t like what he’s saying. They want someone certain and sure to lead them when they’re feeling uncertain. The counter to Trump is to use reassuring and strong language for similar themes (job security, inflation, climate, housing, migrants, health). Or at least I think so, I could be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People like how Trump sounds certain and sure and strong,

He's telling them whatever lie he thinks they want to hear.

And for reasons I can't explain, far too many people are comforted by that blatant lie. Even when it contradicts the lie he told yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He does lie, but he also delivers at times. I don’t doubt for a second he’s going to do away with trans protections on “day one”. My issue is that the Biden admin has also delivered over and over again, but the Biden admin actions are not accompanied by “strongman” rhetoric so get downplayed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

. I don’t doubt for a second he’s going to do away with trans protections on “day one”.

His bluster includes months worth of things he plans to do "on day one".

But, if he actually manages to get elected, his highest priority is going to be trying to pardon himself, despite that probably not being possible. Trying to cover his own sorry ass will absorb most of his attention for many months.

Of course, he first has to get elected.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

He just tells them what they want to hear. They like that he wants to cause pain to people. The problem for his cult is, they don't understand that they're part of the people he wants to inflict pain on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I thought this said "cannabis", and I was so confused lol