"We're open but we're not going to approve anything"
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2023
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Quiet modding
Good news for scammers
Damn, /u/spez is scamming all reddit moderators to work for free.
Literally.always been the way.
Interestingly in some jurisdictions this may be illegal. I am United Kingdom. A friend worked at a medium size music festival (not Glastonbury but not just someone's backyard). For a long time the deal.wqs.just a free ticket and food tickets for 8hrs work a day for the 3featival days and a day either side setup and takedown. As the festival made more profit for the owners the tax man got interested and found the ticket and food was less than minimum wage and started that the benefit of getting to see the whole thing and be communtity" was just the ticket price no matter what the "volunteers" said.
Interesting. Someone should ask a lawyer about it. A class action lawsuit against Reddit right before IPO would be hilarious.
This is the way. Reddit cannot expect people to dedicate the same amount of time in volunteer work if they don’t enjoy the platform.
I think it's a bit more than enjoyment. People felt a sense of ownership in the communities they helped build. And whilst they were always contributing to Reddit inc they still felt some control. Now that Spez has gone full on world's dumbest capitalist and keeps yelling about companies having to pay for "his" data, data which he didn't pay for himself, it's really exposed what's always been true. That Reddit is just another company, it's not your friend, it's not a community.
Why continue to mod it then? Let the place wreck itself with whatever nefarious modder shows up to do the dirty work.
It's hard to just quit something you've nurtured for years.
I was never a mod, but i was an avid reddit user for close to 15 years. It was a sad day when I deleted my accounts, and it wasn't a decision i made lightly.
Same, around 2008 was when I first discovered it and even with Lemmy as replacement it feels now like something is missing from my life. However, browsing Reddit and supporting spez with every second I spend there was the worst feeling, so this will have to do.
I have hope that lemmy/kbin can be the new reddit. I hope so. It seems to be getting a lot of users. I mean, kbin gained 10K users since yesterday morning
The number of users is a possible indicator, sure, but 100k lurkers produce less value for other users than a single ~~shitposter~~ ~~reposter~~ poster.
That is to say: How many posts per day does the average community get? Nobody goes to the Memes community for a sense of belonging. Gief memes plx.
Maybe malicious compliance is more effective than a full strike.
I think this is their way of not modding but not being replaced by other people who would mod as normal. Malicious complicance as @sisyphean said
Mods spent countless hours on building those communities. They still care too much to just leave. There's still some hope left I guess.
If they don’t mod it the admins will take it away and install new bootlicker mods who’ll bend the knee, they’ve already said as much.
This is the best malicious compliance so far, still reddit could 'force' them to remove the approval restriction.
But subreddits like pics doing the john oliver thing are completely missing the point, reddit dont care if they do that, it's still getting thousands of views and upvotes because its 'cool and funny', its such a 'we did it reddit' moment. Just stop using reddit, let the subreddits go to shit with no moderation, make a sticky linking to alternatives.
The point of the John Oliver pictures is to make it hard for him to NOT at least spend a segment of his next show talking about it.
I think it will have the opposite effect people want. It will drive traffic to reddit to see the funny pics, it wont suddenly stop the masses using reddit, a garbage experience has to occur for that.
But it will get them talking, which is the main point of it. Regular people will wonder why the sub is full of John Oliver, letting them find out about the API changed and everything.
It's also a way to get people to see what is actually happening from a more unbiased source. Since spez did a whole interview circuit, that might be all some people know about the situation.
"what the hell is an A-PI ?"
I still don't know what an API is. But people who know more about it than me have told me in no uncertain terms that spez is scum for it, and I was able to confirm that because he put his whole ass on display in that AMA, and so here I am.
A loose analogy would be to compare it to a restaurant kitchen. The kitchen serves up food for customers dining in (official Reddit app) but also has a takeout window (the API) which anyone can use to get their food without having to go into the restaurant (3rd party apps).
It might get a short bump in traffic, but I don't see traffic increasing on the longer term because of this. And it certainly does spread awareness while also reducing advertising value.
Its funny right now but its very much decreasing the quality of posts longer term aswell as creating publicity about whats going on.
The new description is also good
Perfection
Talk about not pulling your punches! Haha! 👏
Ahah, excellent! 😂
14 days? Haha, that's good. Almost feels like a scam.
r/piracy, r/scams... They're forcing the best subreddits open!
r/scams was anti-scam, though.
I know, it's just a joke
Should rebrand to allow scam guides only.
And I was just banned from r/WatchPeopleDieInside for calling them out on bending over to Reddit admin.
Did you feel like you die inside? Maybe you can post that to /r/WatchPeopleDieInside...oh wait...
These guys are good. I love it!
I think this is the direction they should all take. Open but "quiet quit" and either do like /r/scams is doing with requiring approval but working on their own timetable, or let the subs devolve into unmoderated bot-a-thon mess.
Not quiet quit. Mod using the official app. The subs will descend into chaos and the mods will have a clean slate since they did their jobs, using the official app.
I'm not sure if I buy this. /r/videos was the first sub to go dark early and hasn't been brought back. If the admin were really going in and forcing subs to open you'd think they'd start with the sub that started everything and actually got coverage. Not some random subs.
It could be the smaller subs for precisely that reason. /r/videos is high-profile, and is likely to kick a fit, so smaller subs would be a better testing ground, to see what the reception is, before steamrolling the others.
Start with smaller subs and then the bigger ones lose momentum and support too. I also wouldn't put it past reddit to use astroturfing and bots to change the overall vibe and make it seem people are against protests, but it seems like people are addicted and dumb enough on their own and want it to stop. The "malicious compliance" ones are still generating traffic and being active on reddit so this is already compromising that is defeating the purpose too.
If I were Reddit, I'd first target subs who aren't able to fight back well. Then, after I've proved that I'm serious and not bluffing, I'll go after bigger subs. This is why many subs are allowing submissions again. In their sticky posts, they often mention that Reddit isn't bluffing.