Political Memes

That which ought to be is not influenced by what is. It's true that worker control over the means of production is preferable to capitalism, but neither scenario here actually requires it. In fact, if the economy is fully automated, it would imply that the means of production couldn't be owned by the workers, since there wouldn't be any. That's how you get post-scarcity space communism. Socialism would ensure the longevity and existence of an arrangement that results in automation leading to better lives for everyone rather than human extinction. However, I'm beginning to suspect that with the time frame we're working with, aiming for socialism to the detriment of achieving any such arrangement might be a serious misplay on our part. Of course, that opens the possibility for humanity to be subjugated by an oppressive regime of immortal cyborg oligarchs. Even so, this horrifying possibility still preserves the opportunity for rebellion and revolution to set things aright whereas extinction would be ultimate defeat.

Closely monitor it for less pay!

The search for short term profits doesn't give a fuck

That's next quarter's problem

Other rich people. Robots will just stop making $10k cars and start making yachts. Rich people will just keep the game going between themselves.

If people don't have money, people can't buy the goods being produced, demand will plummet and supply will skyrocket leading to the logical conclusion that a UBI is necessary to supplement life in an automated world. If that doesn't happen, I Guess revolution?

Automate, but maje sure you take ownership of the production and get paid accordingly. Your tip is usually the best way to accomplish it.

unless you can spin it into a business to business service that you can sell after leaving the company to many more and paid more than your job's salary.

Or…we could say “fuck the poors, my house servant will be a robot”.

To be fair though I think that the really rich will find another way to use us for their amusement.

Until there is no longer a massive bill to start a company this is a pipe dream. Who's name is the mortgage under is all you have to ask before the model breaks down...

Don't give me that do-goody-good bullshit!

yes, and no, desire drives a king to attack it's neighbour, but is it also desire that enlists the soldier? Maybe the soldier has desire for things het could not morally do at home, maybe they had to go to war to got war because he had bills to pay, is it more moral to kill if you think you have no choice? Is it moral to kill if the outcome of not kill would result i that guy still dying but also yourself, 2 ded?

like bro, i agree 100 with your sentiment. But i think that actually people are animals, they will always, on average, do wathever the fuck they feel like doing, good people exist but majority be majoritying. And people who look to please not god(society, thy neighbour, your fellow human, etc) but only seek to please oneselve will always have an advantage in any system.

so basicaly, exactly what you already said. But i hate that it is no fucling nihilstic, so everyone is just shit then? And if i find my supposed counter-jewel in the rough, then run of together and forget about my brother, society, my human kin, then i am literally just as bad.

like i like to believe everyone should have the duty to do all that he can do for anyone. But southpark, society, reality showed me, i could also just get shot and that would be the end of it. Even worse, my death could cascade and cause my child to follow the same path, and he could also just get shot, go crazy, lose all joy in life, and for what? For a fucking cause that is so fucking simple that one would almost get the feeling there is some global bamboozle going on. "No one should go hungry, no one should go cold, if you see someone who cannot fullfil this duty to the world, do your duty to the world "

i left out no shooting each other, no stealing, no rape etcetcetc because i think it could be obvious with a little bit of do treat em like you should yourself. But hey, im just a schizo these days, because my capitalist gains go op i hate myself 24/7 for not immediately fixing all the problems, when a nice girl ask me how i am doing i tell em about how our goverment be shooting child as we speak, about how i will never be able to have children because it will be impossible to sustain them emotionally with my 60 hour job, how fucked up it is public transit drivers gotta protest a whole year for a fucking pee brake and some fucking respect.

so yeah, fighting nhilism every day. Wish i could love myself a little and by result become an animal. Animals do get more sex tho, so who knows

The thing about a UBI is that it's universal. You'd get a UBI despite still working as a plumber. For you, it would be extra cash - for the factory worker laid off, it would be a lifeline.

Everyone would get UBI. Nobody would be forcing you to keep your plumbing job. And even if you stuck around, you wouldn't have to work 40+ hours plumbing weeks because UBI would give you the ability to chose what dmjobs youd want to take on. And maybe now that those factory workers aren't stuck in factories, some of them might actually want to learn how to be plumbers, meaning more plumbers to take on jobs.

Or you put in 16 hours a week, and some other people do the rest of the hours.

On the other hand, we could also train the factory workers to become assistant consultants, or give them some other bullshit job...

40+ hrs/week

Isn't that the thing? We automatize so much and instead of getting the 20hrs/week, we struggel so much to improve efficiency. But for what? There are sectors I agree with that approach (like medicine, climate impact and so on). But if I have to use the same smartphone technology for 10 years or don't upgrade to an 8k TV in the next 20 years, that is utterly fine by me, if that means that I'll have to wrk 20hours less per week.