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Dear @firefox : Please stop saving images as webp when I drag them out of the browser. Forever stop that. Even if they are webp originally, just give me a setting to auto-convert them to JPEG. When I get a webp file the first thing I have to do is convert it manually if I'm going to do *anything* with it.

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[–] taladar 120 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Implicitly converting anything anywhere is always a bad idea, especially when it can't be done in a lossless way.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

There could be an option to auto convert to PNG. I wouldn't want anything auto converted to a lossy format like JPEG.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Lossless webp to lossless JXL

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] can 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Did they intend to tag an official Firefox account or something? I'm not sure how this works on the Mastadon side of things.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Mastodon's UI for groups is terrible. This community is indistinguishable from an account named "@Firefox" with thousands of followers unless you open its page and notice it says "Group" and understand what that means.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

webp is a great format though...

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Too bad so many platforms are not compatible with it. I am constantly having to convert the image type to post the image.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

thats on the platforms not the format

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Exactly, great quality and small file sizes. Perfect to reduce web bloat, or loading times when using things like FoundryVTT

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Not really. It is better than shitty JPEG encoders but not really much better than good ones. It's lossless was fairly good but still barely worth it. Really we should chuck it for JPEG XL but Google is strong-arming it for unknown reasons.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

jpegxl should be the successor, granted - but that doesn't make webp any less good

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

No, but it also doesn't make it any good to start with.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Google is strong-arming it for unknown reasons.

lol. Yeah it’s a mystery.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Okay all the hate about webp or jpg aside: This should at most be an add-on not a core FF feature. And it also is: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-webp-as-png-or-jpeg/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Sounds more like a problem with their intended usage pipeline, like an image viewer or word processing app problem.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not really Firefox's task or problem to convert files from one format to the other, why would it be?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why is it that the url ends in .JPG but when I right click and save image I can only save it as a .webp?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Some CDNs like Akamai and Cloudflare have options to optimize images. We use the Akamai one where I work. It means our creative teams, customers, etc. don’t need to worry too much about whether an image is properly optimized when they upload it. Akamai will, behind the scenes optimize the quality, color palette, and image type (jpg, web, png, etc) and create a number of different versions of the images. Then when a client requests the image Akamai looks at the client device (mobile vs desktop, screen resolution, browser version, etc) and serves the copy of the image that’s best optimized for that device.

So even if the URL ends with .jpg you might be sent a .webp. If you use the browsers developer tool to inspect the response headers you’ll likely see the Content-Type header says it’s .webp as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Because the URL is lying, and the image is not a jpg.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (7 children)

WebP images are not bad. Not great, but not bad. The lossless mode is quite good. It is on the software you use to support WebP.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is an addon to request jpeg. But converting lossy...why?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Shouldn't we strive for webp compatibility in more applications so it can be viewed readily and easily?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 5 points 3 months ago

Sure. And then use formats that are good enough that have broad support.

Attack the problem from both sides.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I mean Gwenview, GIMP and tons of other apps support it. I dont know an app that doesnt support it actually

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What are you using that can't handle webp by now?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Facebook Messenger on android. I hate messenger but that's where my Luddite family hangs out. Often have to convert the webp meme I downloaded from lemmy first.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

jxl can't come fast enough.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I might have to try that. I've been using Save webP as, though I'm not sure it's exactly what OP is asking. I like that it also does animated webp conversion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

(same developer for both addons)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

This post is why we can’t have nice things

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

fortunately, since you use Firefox, there are a handful of extensions available just for this problem already. Maybe not for the drag n drop, though...

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I prefer PNG because of losless-nes (is that right?). If it's jpeg, or webp originally, i don't mind getting the image in that format. But converting/recompression is bad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It should be spelt "losslessness". "lossless" is an adjective and when you add "-ness" to an adjective it becomes a noun.

I prefer PNG because it losslessly compresses raster images.

I prefer PNG because it uses a lossless algorithm.

I prefer PNG because I love losslessness.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

After turning the word into a noun though, you'll need to know how to turn it back into an adjective. We use "-less" to turn the noun into an adjective.

I prefer PNG because it losslessnesslessly compresses raster images.

I prefer PNG because it uses a losslessnessless algorithm.

I prefer PNG because I love losslessnesslessness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If you hate webp because you can't easily view it, let me recommend ImageGlass as a replacement image viewer for Windows (maybe Linux too, I forget).

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