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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu did in fact not "take the win".

Reminder that Israel couldn't even defend itself from Iran: they had to enlist Jordan and Egypt, plus the US and UK. All because a stupid warmonger is in charge.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We don't really know that they couldn't, just that they didn't

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they definitely could. Despite their bogus victim narrative, they're by far the most militarily powerful and active country in the region.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I sometimes wish Hamas had the military capabilities of Israel and vice versa so the world would see what they'd use them for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you sometimes wish for the annihilation of an entire country just so you can go "we told you so"?

That's not ghoulish and fucking unhinged at all, no sirree! 😬

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What? Nooo. They would obviously take control of the situation there, put forward a two state solution and everyone would live happily ever after. Now it's Israel with the military capabilities of Israel that's annihilating an entire country.. ..is what a pro-Hamas person would probably say.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: you can be against terrorism and genocide at the same time. In fact, most people not blinded by gaslighting and other disinformation are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I count myself among them.

My original point being that Israel does have that capability yet they're not using it to the fullest. They could commit a literal genocide if they wanted but they don't. Hamas would but they can't.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Israel does have that capability yet they're not using it to the fullest

Oh they're only committing genocide at 30% of their maximum power? Well, that's alright then! It's not a war crime if you're able to do even worse, after all! 🙄

They could commit a literal genocide if they wanted but they don't

That's not true. They ARE committing a literal genocide by all but one of the criteria listed in the Genocide Convention itself:

... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

    • (a) Killing members of the group;

    • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    • (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

      — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[7]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There was around 250 000 people in Gaza in 1948. Now there are more than 2 million. That's the opposite of genocide. Israel could kill every single one of them next week if they wanted to commit a literal genocide. They don't because that's not what this is about.

I don't agree with how they're conducting the war but calling it genocide is dishonest in my opinion. People use that term for its shock value but it's not the correct one. This is urban warfare. The casualties are going to be massive either way. They're also taking huge casualties themselves aswell by literally going from door to door clearing buildings instead of just bombing them all into rubble which they could do (and in some cases has)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nowhere in the definition of genocide does it say that a people has to be completely eradicated for it to count. That's just something genocide deniers make up to, you know, deny genocide.

calling it genocide is dishonest in my opinion.

Well luckily your opinion isn't what counts. The definition I posted above is.

People use that term for its shock value but it's not the correct one.

Wrong again. See the actual definition above. As for "shock value", you fucking SHOULD be shocked by all the crimes against humanity that the Israeli government is committing!

This is urban warfare

Nope. This is one of the world's most advanced militaries deliberately committing a mass slaughter of a people, killing several times more defenseless civilians than militants BY DESIGN, not accident or necessity.

The casualties are going to be massive either way.

But much moreso when the party with all the power is deliberately targeting aid groups, journalists, healthcare workers and other civilians.

They're also taking huge casualties themselves

Nowhere near the tens of thousands they're inflicting and only very few civilians.

by literally going from door to door clearing buildings

Oh no, they have to do some of their murders in close quarters?? Almost makes it not worth it to commit genocide, doesn't it?

just bombing them all into rubble which they could do (and ~~in some cases has~~ FO in the vast majority of cases)

There, fixed it for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The cost was significant though. It's not like Israel can afford to do that often.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yup, hence the assistance from other countries.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well done Israel. You get the award for being the biggest dick.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Netanyahu, "thanks, I always told everyone we had the b- wait, being?!"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

FYI the thumbnail is not an image of the attack being discussed if anyone is wondering