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Has anyone bought from here before? Looking to upgrade my NAS drives.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Approx 35k power on hours. Tested with 0 errors, 0 bad sectors, 0 defects. SMART details intact.

That’s about 4 years of power on time. Considering they’re enterprise grade equipment, they should still be good for many years to come, but it is worth taking into consideration.

I’ve bought from these guys before, packaging was super professional. Card board box with special designed drive holders made of foam; each drive is also individually packed with anti-static bags and silica packs.

Highly recommend.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All my server drives come to me with these many hours and truck on for many years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

This is pretty standard for enterprise equipments — comes with some amount of years of warranty, enterprises depreciate the cost over that many years and sell them as/before the warranty expires to get whatever value they can get (as far as books concerned, they’re already depreciated to $0 anyway).

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 months ago (10 children)

They’re generally highly regarded.

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[–] Grntrenchman 51 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Reposting as top level comment also: these are PWDIS drives: if you’re not using them somewhere with sata 3.2/3.3, you need to use an adapter for the power plug, or some tape, to block pins 1-3 (3.3v) as supplying it to these causes them to reset. Might be worth doing the taping anyway, if you’re using an enclosure or cage (where you can’t use the adapters) Just be aware.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I bought some of these earlier this year, the re-seller included an adapter that blocked those pins to prevent the reset issue. Didn't know what they were for at first and almost tossed them. (I should have read the included slip of paper)

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (3 children)

As someone who regularly ships items with a slip of paper meant to be read, this was infuriating to read. Lmao

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

the drives I’ve purchased from them in the past have been great considering they’re used server parts.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

considering they’re used server parts.

That really should be in the title...

I dunno, I'm one of those people who never stops using a drive until it breaks, and they never really break anymore. Oldest in my current PC is probably 20 year old HDD.

So yeah, these probably are fine and will still last a long time. ~~But for like $20 more you don't have to worry about losing the data on it.~~

Edit:

Apparently prices just haven't changed in half a decade or longer? I knew prices went up for COVID, assumed they went back down at some point.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where do you get a 12 tb drive for $100?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that's crazy.

I guess all those $100 deals were used too.

So I guess at least used prices went down?

But I remember years ago a shuckable 12tb for like $120-140 on sale wasnt unusual on buildapcsales.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

They're much cheaper than $20 off a new drive. I bought a 14TB WD server drive from them within the last year for less than it cost me to get an 8TB Elements/Easystore on sale back in 2018. It was easily 50% of the new price for a similar drive.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This post is like fate. Just yesterday I came to the conclusion my HDD in my aging PC is going screwy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These guys have deals all the time, I see them pop up on slickdeals a lot

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I was already planning to just drive to microcenter like it was 2017 or something.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Would love to buy some, but shipping to EU is too expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I just bought two of their 12TB for $100 each and they were the manufactured recertified. One had like 8 hours run time and the second had like 36 hours so brand new for the lifetime of a hard drive. So far no issues. Also beware these drives are very loud.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Refurbished drives get their SMART data reset during the process, they absolutely had more than that originally.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Oh wow I did not know that.

That's absolutely terrifying. Like resetting the speedometer for used cars.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You mean odometer, resetting the speedometer wouldn't be a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hang on, you don't typically buy your cars at 15Km/h?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

That's why you run a couple rounds of preclear to stress them and then run a fresh smart report.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I really wish we had a service like this on Europe.

I know they ship to Europe. But shipping costs are prohibitive for small buys.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What’s the catch? Is there a catch?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

These are used drives that have about 35K hours (4 years) of power on time.
Good quality drives to be sure, but maybe not as reliable now as they once were.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

That's why you buy extras and put them in RAID or zfs!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

It just means they've survived the first part of the bathtub curve. To me that's a bonus.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Refurbished drive. I've had 4 white label drives running for a number of years without issue, planning on eventually getting 12 more and maxing out my servers.
Unfortunately that's years down the line :(

[–] Grntrenchman 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

2nd catch, behind the power on time: PWDIS drives: if you're not using them somewhere with sata 3.2/3.3, you need to use an adapter for the power plug, or some tape, to block pins 1-3 (3.3v) as supplying it to these causes them to reset. Might be worth doing the taping anyway, if you're using an enclosure or cage (where you can't use the adapters)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They are also enterprise drives which consume slightly more power and more importantly generate more noise/clicking sounds on average when compared to a consumer drive. Depending on where you were planning to install them, it might not be the best option.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I * think * those were the brand I bought?

Regardless, 80 for 12 TB is a steal.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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NAS Network-Attached Storage
RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
SSD Solid State Drive mass storage

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Interest to know this too, deal appears too good...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I have six 14TB drives in my NAS from serverpartdeals. Never had a problem with any of them.

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[–] xlash123 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Do HDDs noticably degrade when powered off? I'm thinking about getting one of these for cold storage backups. Also, how much of an impact does repeated power cycling have on lifespan?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

HDDs are your best option for long-term storage. Every storage mechanism fails eventually but HDDs are convenient, last long, and have excellent data recovery.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"Seller refurbished" just means they're used and were tested, right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

It means they put a new sticker over the old one, and they don't rattle when you shake them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Read it as 120TB at first and my eyes nearly jumped out of their sockets.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

12 TB for $80 is a deal for me! My 8tb was around $200 to $300 in 2021

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I've bought a fair amount of drives from them and have had no issues, just today I got in some seagate exos 2x18 drives from them and their packaging was as professional ever.

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