~~Ukraine~~ United States is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid
The fact that everyone understands that the war in Ukraine is based on American backing means that it's a proxy war between the US and Russia.
$773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting "proxy" wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).
The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.
Hardly the first time. I'd argue the US made the same mistake in Afghanistan in 2003, diverting resources to Iraq because Bush Jr. had such a hard-on for Saddam.
100%
With each passing day, Biden's administration looks like the Bush administration's bigger more right wing brother.
Citizens United needs to be overturned. The Pentagon budget needs to be at least halved. We need the 2 party system to end.
This will never happen if we keep voting for the lesser evil every 4 years.
Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.
The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.
It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.
Many such cases!
Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.
Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.
Sad, but true
Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.
The free world loses when Russia wins.
It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....
Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.
Does the free world also include places America has invaded or bombed?
Republicans are thrilled
They so desperately want their own version of Putin in the US. Where they get to kill their political opponents when they like.
People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.
Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder
Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.
Nightmare blunt rotation
Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! 
I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.
Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.
When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.
Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.
It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.
The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.
Do they mean that Mark Hamill?
The Luke Skywalker one? Yes. Notorious shitlib
Not shocking being a Hollywood guy, though I do really like his work as Luke/The Jonkler
NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.
This is wild. It's bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they're trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.
Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.
nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!
I was wondering how the media was going to explain the collapse in Ukraine when it finally becomes impossible to hide it, and now we know. The whole thing is going to be blamed on republicans holding up money in congress, as if pouring another 61 billion after all the untold billions that were already poured into this was going to make any difference. The fact that people genuinely believe this is frankly depressing. It shows just how utterly credulous and mentally deficient western public is.
Countries will get fed up of sending aid to Ukraine long before Russia decides to return its annexed territories. We're already seeing signs of that.
If NATO isn't willing to go in and force the Russians out themselves, I fail to see how this war is anything but a net gain for Russia. They will just sit back and let their "new territories" become more and more Russified.
To me, the aid is just a delaying tactic to allow Ukraine to continue fighting until the west can figure out a way to accept that Ukraine has lost its territories without losing face.
It's a shit show, but I don't share the optimism that a lot of people have for a Ukrainian victory. It's like a game of chess, and it's currently Ukraine/NATOs turn, because the Russians are already dug in.
They will just sit back and let their "new territories" become more and more Russified.
The majority people who live there and have always lived there are Russian
It's like a game of chess,
No it really isn't. Its a proxy war forced by US aggression (2014 coup and NATO encirlement). The US achieved its primary goals - 1) to stop its European vassals (primarily Germany) from gaining energy independence through trade with the Russian Federation and get them back in line 2) to sell old weapon stocks/war profiteering for defense industry and make room for new weapons stores/more profits for defense industry.
The fact they've met these goals is the main reason why funding will stop, because there is no reason to fund Ukraine anymore. The US has won - Ukraine was always going to lose in this scenario.
Eat shit
Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.
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