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Sovcit's passport was denied, sovcit received advice of lunacy. (lemmy.world)
submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Even within the framework of SovCit, I do not understand how they expect to get a U.S. government issued passport while declaring themselves non-citizens. Honestly, if I put on my SovCit thinking fez, I could spin the denial of it by the government as a positive. “See the U.S. government didn’t issue me a passport which proves I’m not a citizen!”

This post isn’t even doing the “I’m an American national and not a state citizen” thing, which would at least track with trying to get a Federally issued passport.

Furthermore why would somebody who is declaring themselves a non-citizen even want a U.S. passport. It’s not like citizens of countries have to get documents from all the countries they aren’t citizens of to prove it.

And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's just good to see that passports - or lack there of - is what prevents these people from coming to my country.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Lucky bastard....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These numpties are in Australia, their stupidity has leaked and infested many parts of the world. I just read today of an Australian attempting to get out of a speeding fine of $180 using SovCit logic and was fined $1800 instead by the magistrate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Now I'm thankful Australia isn't apart of the EU... for the sake of all our common wealth.

*crickets*

Shut up, I'm funny.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.

I'm struck by how often these sovcits seem to be getting denied passports because they owe child support.

Is it just one or two of these doofuses vomming their idiocy all over Facebook, or maybe the whole sovcit thing is a common last ditch attempt to avoid child support judgements?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I’ve listened to a lot of SovCits on court proceedings. The idea appeals primarily to people who have exhausted all other legitimate options and are either going to lose something like the ability to drive or are being forced to pay money they just don’t have.

This is a Hail Mary ideology where somebody in that situation is being told what they want to hear- which is that they can wriggle out of it, that their debt isn’t really their fault (because The System is fake), and that they are special and smarter than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not all American nationals are American citizens. For example people from American Samoa, are US nationals, but not US citizens, so they need to check the non-citizen box when getting a passport.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

That’s fair, and SovCit stuff usually is a contortion of something real. I was thinking about people who live and have always lived in a state who are trying to pull this.

[–] matlag 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I kind of wonder if he realizes abandoning his citizenship means he'll become instantly an illegal, having no document authorizing him to stay in the country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Where would they deport them to?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

They become stateless and generally get stuck in a port afaik

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Assuming they are American, they can only give up citizenship at a foreign embassy, meaning that they would already be in another country.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Texas, they want to separate anyway

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

you can just expel them from the country, then the only place they can go to is the un

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

In Shemima Begum's case, no where. She's stuck.

[–] matlag 1 points 8 months ago

They would need to find an unclaimed island, I guess. Or isn't Antartica's status that it doesn't belong to any country? We could suggest that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What they really need to do is fill out form ID10-T and mail it (certified mail) to Mickey Mouse down at Disney World

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Buddy pulled this back in my customer service days. Caller was hot, and being an ass. After we kicked him around a time or two to a "supervisor", he was told:

"OK. I'm going to elevate this issue. We're going to code this an ID10T issue. Can you write that down? That's india, tango, one, zero, tango. Let me get this in the pipeline and you'll get a call back."

"You damn well better!"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

PEBKAC is better because it's not as obvious, unless that's what you are going for

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Don't forget layer 8 issue.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

you dumb fuck the law still apply even if you are a foreigner, if a court condemn you to pay something, citizen of the country or not you gotta do it

[–] csm10495 9 points 8 months ago

Using an all 0 zip code sounds like a way to get mail not delivered properly.