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The meme has been liked nearly 9,000 times and shared 2,400 times as of Monday. In reaction to Mr Trump’s repost, journalist Aaron Rupar sarcastically wrote on Twitter: “rubbing my last 2 brain cells together as I try to remember who ran the government on January 6.”

The former president shared the meme despite a House committee that investigated January 6 declaring Mr Trump the “central cause” of the day’s events. “None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him,” the House panel wrote in its final report.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, technically, yeah... if by "the Government" you mean "the President".

From tweeting on December 19th: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there! Will be wild!"

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6

To the actual speech that day demanding they take back the government and that he would march with them...

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated."

or:

"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

ending with:

"We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

So... Trump lured everyone there 1/2 a month ahead of time, gave a speech telling everyone that you have to be strong and fight or you won't have a country anymore, then turned everyone loose on Congress...

"bUt It WaS ThE GOveRnMenT!!"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But, can anyone ever really prove that Trump was the president?

🤔

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah! Was he Donald Trump -- the person -- president? Or was it "Donald Trump" the legal entity? Is his name capitalized on the documents? Was his presidency valid under maritime law?

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The most generous interpretation I can think of is that he was talking about the "deep state", some sort of hidden conspiracy of government workers working against him... by getting Trump himself to support this massive rally that everyone knew was going to turn violent and getting him to use incendiary language that would get people riled up, then also getting him to delay calling in help for as long as possible and even going so far as to get his Secret Service agents to refuse to drive him back to the rioters after he wanted to go back. Either this deep state is super nefarious and tricky... or Trump is just easily manipulated.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's called projecting. Everything he's ever said, done, and/or screwed up, he tries to blame others.

His supporters need to wake up and quit drinking the orange juice.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Personally I think it's just the usual incoherent right-wing worldview. Their concept of "the government" somehow doesn't include the president, the military, or law enforcement.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump's Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.

Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]

STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.

He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The headline should read "TRUMP ADMITS GUILT."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The headline should read “TRUMP ADMITS GUILT FOR ANOTHER CRIME.”

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Is it confusing when he is honest or what? I don’t get it. Even a broken clock can be right twice per day.

Trump and other republicans in government power staged an attempted coups on Jan 6. It’s not a conspiracy theory or anything, I didn’t even realize this was debated, it’s literally what happened.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well you know how republicans deal with indisputable proven facts, they ignore them and make up their own story on what really happened.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

He probably just got confused. You know like how old people sometimes get. Jokes aside this makes most sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Right, but it wasn't to "cover up a stolen election" it was to try and steal an election Trump lost.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It’s “debated” (and I use that term very loosely) because the current US Fascist Republican party and its voter base need to keep gaslighting the general public about what actually happened on Jan 6.

Like, any rational person knows that Jan 6 was obviously an insurrection attempt, which I like to think is the majority of the US - but apparently there’s a very vocal sect of citizens who would be pretty okay with a fascist state so long as it’s branded with a big red R.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

There are two wolves inside trump. One wolf is a goddamn idiot. The other wolf is an malignant narcissist. Both are chewing on the rotting carcass of his brain.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Obama just sat there and let 9/11 happen!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly it was Obamas fault

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Thanks Obama

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The guy raped E Jean Carroll and his cult worshipers don't care.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It's super effective

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's so used to calling things staged fake news he fails to realize that if the riot was staged He's 1 admitting the riot was a riot and 2 that it was staged by him

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He's a moron, his last two remaining brain cells are fighting for third place.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does that technically count as a confession?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

70 million people with a pulse voted for this guy and made life-size plastic idols of him in his honor. What amazes me is that they'll do it again. Trump has no loyalty to even his most fanatic worshippers and no coherent plan for America other than cashing out for himself at anyone else's expense. And he keeps telling everyone as much because he has no filter and uses our two-tiered justice system to keep getting away with it.

What kind of reason besides spite or greed could possibly motivate people to fawn over a blatantly awful man who already threw them under the bus a few times the moment it suited him better?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

It owns the libs. They literally don't give a fuck about anything else.

Meanwhile, I would just like to feel confident that if I had to go to the hospital I could, and it wouldn't bankrupt me. But I'm getting owned so hard lol Trump MAGA lol

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's time we call and treat Trump for what he is; a dangerous cult leader. He leads a group of people who act like a cult, dress like a cult, and quack like a cult. They have their own cult news websites and social media outlets, and their cancer is spreading through republican rank and file. Nothing about it should be legal, it radicalizes innocent people and increases the chance of violent encounters in public spaces.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

He most likely doesn't want to jail.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I wouldn't want to jail either personally, that's actually most of the reason why I don't start insurrections

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same here, many other things I don't do:

  • withhold congress assigned funds to blackmail a foreign country for personal gain
  • Steal protective gear from states during a pandemic
  • Commit tax fraud (this is the condensed version)
  • Rape women
  • Rape underage girls
  • Try and extort/convince states to change a fair election
  • Not illegal usually, but not lie like you're trying to win a high score with your heartbeats
  • Teargas protesters so you can get a photo op in front of a church

Like you need an asterisk now when you tell kids they could grow up to be US President. I know there's tons more.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

To think this idiot is what’s influencing the right of far right in the rest of the world is just fucking sad

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

As a fellow fan of syndicated daytime television, I'm sure that Mr. Trump is as familiar as I am with this above quote by Detective Lenny Briscoe, N.Y.P.D. So a re-post from him like this is puzzling to me….

Trump will testify under oath or take the Fifth -- he'll be forced to do one or the other. My guess is that he will "exercise his right against self-incrimination" in all pending and yet-to-be-announced cases against him.

Without any live testimony given by the defendant, prosecutors will be free to present any part of any of Trump's public statements and social media posts as testimony.

Prosecutors will be free to pick-and-choose whatever public comments they want, to show Trump in whatever light they want to show him in. Trump won't be able say anything back about it, because he'll've already invoked his constitutional right to not say anything at all.

Public comments (including endorsement by "re-truth"ing like this) are not made under oath, so they're not legally binding, but they are still things that Trump said out loud and on purpose.

However much they gin up support from his base of voters, they also add to the threat of Trump's own words being used against him later in a court of law. Used against him in the general election, too, if he somehow manages to make it that far.

Trump is all too familiar with the millions of Americans who love him for what he says, but I don't think he has any true notion about the millions more American voters who have come to despise him for what he has done. I'm not sure he ever will.

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