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More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities (www.techradar.com)

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More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities::Phison quietly revealed an updated X2 SSD platform at CES

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 10 months ago (1 children)

as almost no one noticed this launch

That's because we're having trouble just getting food. A shiny new and expensive SSD isn't even on the list at this point.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (4 children)

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers. Cool that they are getting that big, but they probably cost as much as a house.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers

Dunno, have you seen the new Medal of Honor?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I haven't. Was it just announced? I loved that series as a kid.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

I read 128GB SSDs and thought "who cares"

impressive.

[+] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] falkerie71 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember that SSDs lifespan mainly depends on how much you overwrite the drive. For 128TB, it should take you a very long time to overwrite the entire drive, let alone couple hundred or thousand times to kill the drive. I know that bit rot also happens on SSDs, but that applies to HDDs as well, and good drive maintenance practices should alleviate the issue. Though for archival purposes/cold storage, tape drives are probably better.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The lifespan of your data isn't nearly as long as the lifespan of the cells storing your data. Due to leakage of of power from the cells, and the more and more dense these cells are being packed (leading to smaller differences between what voltage maps to what binary value), SSDs have issues with bitrot. With a disk this size you would need to have data regularly checked and refreshed (rewritten) to ensure the data being stored was still correct and not corrupted.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

All storage has issues with bit rot. There haven't been any studies to show that SSD is disproportionately affected.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In 2016, HDDs were more reliable (MTBF).

In 2022, for the first 5 years, SSDs are looking more reliable. With more of a constant failure rate (1%/yr), than the increasing failure rate of HDDs after 5 years.

(Caveat: not just bit rot, but general failure data.)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is bit rot?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

When bits of data on a storage medium goes bad for seemingly no reason. If you've ever had a library of files and all of a sudden there's a file that won't open even though you haven't touched it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they are loading the drive up with media for archival purposes how much overwriting are they going to be doing, anyways? Theoretically the drive should last a very long time for that purpose.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Right, but if the point isn't for the drive to be actively used, and instead just hold data for archiving, then there's little reason to spend more money to get an SDD for that purpose when an HDD will hold that data just as well and for much cheaper.

The benefits of SSD over HDD are almost entirely in performance, so if SSD can develop further to provide a tangible benefit over HDD for long term storage, and do it for cheaper, then we can fully move away from it. But I don't think we're quite there yet.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not for you. It’s for enterprises, but I can drive down the prices of shit you would use. No noise, better performance, less energy; it’s a win-win.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

HDDs typically don’t last as long as SSDs due to their mechanics failing. Data is there but it just won’t spin. I’ve yet to have an SSD actually fail. Every HDD I’ve ever owned, save one, has.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I care about affordable stuf not luxury .

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago

These are not intended for you anyways. They are designed for servers.

It's still interesting though and server hardware eventually makes it way down to normal people.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m holding out upgrading for the holographic nano dark matter drives that have infinite storage capacity and RAID data into 3 alternate universes for security.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Some high tech alien's porn stash is embedded in the fabric of our universe and that's the reason we exist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are we the porn? Some alien's weird fetish?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If we are, the story's gone to shit.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is why I feel like an interdimensional cumshot all the time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Damn, Interdimensional cumshot sounds like an obscure metal band.

[–] n3m37h 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I may have just jizzed in my pants

[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the price will dry you off.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Realistically, a couple of 10TB drives would have me covered for like a decade at least. If these massive drives bring down the price of much smaller ones, I'm a happy boy.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

That's some nice density you got there. While you're at it...

Can I get a 12.8TB drive 1/10th the physical size (m.2 2230) and has a steady transfer rate of 2.4GBs that costs <$200 dollhairs? Pretty please 🙏

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How expensive are they, $100,000 or maybe more?

[–] Abird1620 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

$4.5k from a quick search.

Edit: I HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM LAST NIGHT

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-128tb-petabyte-storage

This states that a 32tb ssd costs roughly $7000

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

≈$35/TB or ≈3.4¢/GB Actually not a bad deal at all, consider the current SSD prices.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

That's actually pretty reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to need a source for that, as it's well below even regular consumer SSDs.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Still can't afford it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Do you think the normal consumer would care? All that matters is for SSD to become as cheap or cheaper than HDDs or nothing

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Capacity that high is for servers.

[–] Eezyville 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or porn

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Servers full of porn

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[–] csm10495 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

What's the biggest HDD out there? I mean at sizes this big it's a lot of data to lose in one go if it dies. Even if you have backups or whatever that's a lot to have to restore.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Are we including magnetic tape?

Looks like they hit 580 TB a few years ago: https://www.pcmag.com/news/fujifilm-and-ibm-set-world-record-with-580tb-magnetic-tapes