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The EU may well receive Ukraine as a candidate for accession and then leave it to rot in the antechamber, just as happened with Turkey. Right now, the EU is structurally not equipped to deal with Ukraine.

Despite pro-Ukrainian virtue signalling at European summits and on social media, the tone is likely to change once member states are presented with the bill for Ukraine’s EU accession. Germany and the other net contributors to the union’s budget would have to bear the brunt of the cost – at a time when their own economic models are coming under strain. Would Poland and Hungary be happy to give up their current status as net recipients of funds from the EU budget for the sake of Ukraine? Would Italy agree to become an even larger net contributor?

As a country with 43 million inhabitants, Ukraine would displace Poland as the fifth-largest EU member, after Germany, France, Italy and Spain. Ukraine’s accession would dilute existing voting shares in the Council of Ministers, one of the two decision-making bodies of the EU.

I believe there is a solution. The EU could adopt a two-tier membership structure – a fortified eurozone at the centre and an outer group of members. Ukraine could join that second group. The frequently used word “associate member” would be too dismissive for what this would entail. A separation of the EU into inner and outer groupings would include the customs union, the single market, and structural and regional aid for everybody. If the core group assigned itself an autonomous fiscal union, it could raise funds, on the EU’s behalf, to finance Ukraine’s reconstruction. Ukraine, along with other countries in the outer group, would have full voting rights on all issues except the monetary and fiscal union, which would not include them. In turn, they would enjoy a higher degree of national sovereignty in economic policy.

I am not pretending that this would be easy to agree on. As long as people are under the delusion that the recovery fund can act as a blueprint for a common European fiscal policy, there will be no pressure in favour of a formal treaty change. But it is not possible for this delusion to persist forever. The cost of maintaining the status quo will eventually become apparent: it will be an EU that disappoints; an EU with a diminished global role; and an EU that does not include Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's going to take some time. No need to come up with alternative solutions as of now. It took the EU 6 months just to confirm the application. Lots of things will happen before they are able to join.

Like everyone else they have 35 chapters to fulfill. Financial control being one that is currently critical. The GPD pr. Capita in Ukraine is about a tenth of the average on EU. This won't go well unless they manage to improve significantly.

However they are still closer than Turkey even though Turkey applied in 1987..

The current score is: 5/35 Ukraine 0/35 Turkey.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There are thousands of requeriments to join the EU and Ukraine is far to comply.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The west is content with merely using Ukraine for a proxy war with Russia, just like they were with using Afghanistan in the 80s. They'll dangle rewards, but it'll come with additional cost.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what should we do doing to not "use" Ukraine? Just ignore their pleas for help?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not fund a coup to set up Ukraine for conflict where we jump in to "save" the day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tell your CIA supervisor that I give you a 0/10.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm with the majority of Americans on this issue. I guess we're all working for the CIA!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

The majority of Americans were for invading Iraq.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your understanding of the situation is somewhat lacking, I'm being very generous here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure you've been spoonfed a version of the events that you assume is correct. That doesn't mean you have a better understanding of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Sure, bud. What happened on 5 December 1994?

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