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[–] Kecessa 97 points 7 months ago (1 children)

ThEy'Re ThE sAmE!

Fuck off

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

They aren't the same, but they both suck. The orange one more so than the other.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I see the campaign to suppress the Democrat vote is in full swing.

The only thing that gets Trump elected is people not voting. Whether the GOP or Putin, this is somebody's propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can see a comment from the OP talking about how he used to have 2 million karma on reddit.

It's honestly kinda sad to look at, like when you see those documentaries about hoarders or other people that have wasted their lives away to some nonsense but are so committed to it they can't even understand that it's not a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Also the central premise "I can't possibly be a shill! I was active on Reddit" has a fairly obvious logical flaw

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

It's still really early. I agree everyone needs to vote. But I hate how it feels like Christmas advertising for a year solid and if you know what you are going to vote for it's really overwhelming to keep up with it all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

A big part of getting Trump 1 elected was their much more effective promo campaign on Facebook. This morning I opened Youtube without being logged in, and 2 of those initial 6 videos it showed me were weird no-name channels showing some sort of presentation of Trump being heroic, "organically."

It'd be weird if they didn't have at least some small section of their operation devoted to finding where the leftists hang out on the internet and posting lots of "don't-vote-it-doesn't-matter" material. It's literally something one person can do in spare time between other things.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Or the agenda of individuals sick of the false dichotomy who want neither asshat

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's ok to not want either but it's pretty clear which is worse for the world and it's the one that is encouraging Russia to attack NATO members who they perceive as not pulling their own weight.

Funnily enough that's the same one that looked at a picture of the perdon they were getting sued by (who was sitting in the same room) and thought it was their ex-wife.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As long as people become trapped in the choice between which one is worse they will be trapped by the false dichotomy. Neither is good, let's seek better alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Seeking better alternatives is absolutely what we should do but a general election isn't the time to do that. The general election is the time to pick which of the two turds is better.

If we really want change at the national level we have to start locally. If a third party candidate wins the presidential election without support in Congress they will have a disastrous term.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In what possible sense is Trump vs. Biden a "false" dichotomy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People who are under the delusion that their favorite third party candidate can actually win believe some weird shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I’m writing in Taylor Swift because she’s going to shake off the world’s problems and make me First Gentleman.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Enjoying the view from under the boot eh?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Not particularly, but I can at least recognize that electing a third party practically requires getting rid of the electoral college.

If no one gets a majority of EC votes, the winner is picked by the house of representatives. So any third party president needs to get a majority of the vote in a majority of states to win. No third party candidate has ever come remotely close to that.

Under STAR, score, condorcet or IRV? It's unlikely but possible. With the EC? It's essentially impossible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Only one of these two has promised "to be a dictator from day one." I'll give you a hint. It's the same one who said that he'll encourage Russia to attack NATO countries if he feels that they're not pulling their weight. It's the same one whose party released a more than 900 page manifesto last year that included the total destruction of state's rights so that the federal government can punish state employees who don't uphold the federal "Don't Say Gay" law also included in the manifesto, as well as a list of 50,000 federal workers to be replaced with party loyalists.

That's not the same as not doing enough to fight climate change, not forgiving all student loans, and not having strong enough sanctions against Israel. Oh yeah, the other one opposes doing all 3 of those things at all and, in fact, wants to loosen restrictions on fossil fuel companies and increase the use of oil and coal while decreasing the use of green energy.

I hope Russia pays you well, at least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I am saying there's a real dichotomy between them

I.e. a difference (in this case about as stark a difference as you could possibly imagine in a wildly exaggerated dystopian fantasy)

I.e. I am saying what you are saying

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oops, my bad. I misread that as saying it actually is a false dichotomy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep all good

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

This is why you don't read social media until you've had breakfast. Otherwise, you make mistakes like that. 😟

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah it was so weird I was just sitting there with my legs open and he came in and told me to sit up and gave me $136 billion in student loan forgiveness

I said "no you need to punish me daddy" and he said what's wrong with you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

"What's wrong with you, man? We don't do that kind of malarkey here."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Biden is fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My judgement is that he's still kinda bad, but also probably the best president the US had in decades.

[–] Shiggles 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I dunno if he trumps(heh) Obama for me.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Obama was more charismatic but more moderate, less progressive.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I think Obama's personal politics were actually much more progressive than those of Biden. It's just that his theory of governance seemed to revolve around taking the positions of moderate Republicans and then starting with those as his own position. He thought that would be taken as a meaningful step towards compromise and give him partners across the aisle.

Instead, that meant that the old moderate position became the new left position, and his opponents could move even further to the right.

At least he unintentionally provided progressives with a lesson on how not to advocate for policies going forward.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'll take Obama any day. I could afford rent and food then.

[–] girsaysdoom 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure if Obama was allowed a third term today you'd still be paying out the ass regardless. Trump and Covid wrecked a lot of things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Mostly being facetious. However, it was nice having a president who could complete a coherent sentence. It's been nearly eight years since we've had that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

He's alright. Top 50% of presidents, at least. Probably top 25%, considering our track record.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Change for the better will not come from above. Unionize and arm the proletariat. And vote for the one who isn’t a fucking fascist

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago

I mean, they're both fascists in their own way...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe
wHo CaReS aBoUt ThE mORe VuLnErAbLe AmOnG uS, mUh PuRiTeH, i'M a SpEcIaL fLoWeR!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

"FUCK ME UNCLE SAM DADDY!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Scout, what are you doing?