Almost 30k dead Palestinians (mostly women and children) to find an electrical supply room and series of tunnels under a building?
Israel is a racist terrorist state.
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Almost 30k dead Palestinians (mostly women and children) to find an electrical supply room and series of tunnels under a building?
Israel is a racist terrorist state.
The Israelis also claimed there was a Hamas base under a cemetery, but their claims about the location were disproven by CNN*: entrances weren't where the Israelis said they were, and tunnels didn't run where the Israelis said they did. Just briefly glancing at this article, I see that the reporters did not or were not given the opportunity to verify several Israeli claims, including
“Twenty meters above us is the UNRWA headquarters,” and "The military said Saturday night that the tunnel began at a UNRWA school"
I'd like to see more evidence before believing Israel here. Especially since they haven't shown the 'UNWRA staff participated in the October attacks' evidence to the UN or several other countries.
* Israel claims a tunnel ran through this Gaza cemetery it destroyed. A visit to the site raised more questions than answers. Or if you prefer video: IDF says they destroyed this Gaza graveyard because of Hamas activity. CNN can't find the evidence.
Leaving the facility, it was nearly impossible to identify one window left fully intact. Bullet holes pockmarked the walls. Shrapnel was everywhere, crumpled-up U.N. vehicles were perched precariously atop building debris. Dogs roamed the area.
"The Israeli army is occupying our biggest UNRWA headquarters,” Touma said in response to Israeli allegations. “That’s what’s outrageous.”
Also of note, Gaza is like what, 4 square miles?
There's tunnels and bomb shelters under literally everything. For reasons that should be obvious now that they're pretty much the only structures left intact
Gaza is like what, 4 square miles?
About 141 square miles.
The Gaza Strip is 41 kilometres (25 miles) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, and has a total area of 365 km2 (141 sq mi)
So it is ~4 miles wide.
Not the dreaded Hamas electrical supply room!
It’s next to the bombed Hamas park used by Hamas children.
Yeah and the Hamas children used Hamas transit to travel Hamas km to do Hamas on the Hamas.
They are so obsessed with tunnels. Meanwhile 28,000 people have died and hundreds of thousands of people have been rendered homeless in genocide by the hand of Israel. Genociders are trying get us to look elsewhere. What a fucking joke.
Every hospital in my area has basements and tunnels going under parking lots and connecting facility wings.
Hamas really is everywhere.
I just found a basement beneath my own house
Quick, someone drop a 5 ton bomb. There might be hummus down there!
There are tunnels all over my town! Sure the paperwork SAYS it's sewage and old tunnels that have been walled off for over a century, but we all know Hamas is in there.
"A tunnel!!! We better kill another twenty thousand civilians, just in case."
The IDF, probably.
"A child as young as 5 years old can help dig a tunnel and even unborn babies can grow up to be tunnel diggers, so to protect the Israeli people we have to stop them now."
The IDF, probably.
When I was scrolling down I saw the title first before seeing the forum and immediatelly thought - I kid you not - that "This must be The Onion".
One has to be incredibly naive (or a pro-Israel racist) to believes in all these "amazing coincidences" one after the other of Israel suddenly "discovering" (whilst providing zero evidence) all manner of bad things about the Humanitarian agency that's keeping Palestinians from starving to death and thus impeding a "final solution" for the "Palestinian problem" (both quotes are from Israeli officials)
I'll be honest, I assumed half of the last paragraph was stolen from Nazi material and had jewish references replaced with Palestinian ones.
Also: why are we demonizing tunnels?
Holy shit. I knew they were genocidal as fuck, but I didn't know they actually used those words. Could you please post some sources for those quotes? I'd love to take a look into it.
Oh, this time I believe them!
1 week later we find out that Israel dug those tunnels 20 years ago
Even AP makes the "evidence" sound weak:
It did not prove definitively that Hamas militants operated in the tunnels underneath the UNRWA facility, but it did show that at least a portion of the tunnel ran underneath the facility’s courtyard. The military claimed that the headquarters supplied the tunnels with electricity. ...
Lazzarini said the agency has not revisited the headquarters since staff evacuated Oct. 12, and is unaware of how the facility may have been used.
This kind of thing doesn't really justify shutting down an aid agency, let alone killing 30,000 civilians.
In fact, it's odd that Israel's army and politicians don't see that when they come out with evidence this weak, it actually undermines their case for violence. Before, we might wonder whether they know something we don't that supports their bombardment of Gaza. After seeing this "evidence", the best they could muster, we know they have no justification for it.
alleging that Hamas militants used the space as an electrical supply room
A Hamas electrical supply room! Maybe there was a Hamas McDonalds down the road as well.
They were improperly storing lightbulbs and extension cords . So Israel is definitely in the right
God damn Hamas, that's a fire hazard! We better genocide more innocent civilians just in case!
The more Israel obsess over how many tunnels there are in Gaza, the more I realize they're more like public infrastructure than scary military hideouts
Like a rational response to a constrained geographic footprint...
It did not prove definitively that Hamas militants operated in the tunnels underneath the UNWRA facility, but it did show that at least a portion of the tunnel ran underneath the facility’s courtyard
UNRWA evacuated the HQ on the 12th of October 2023 and hasn't visited it since then, following the Israeli evacuation orders and as bombardment intensified, as per Lazzarini, Commissioner General of UNRWA said in a press release.
The last inspection for the UNRWA Gaza premises was completed in September 2023. Nothing was found at the time. Inspections are done quarterly.
So, either the UNRWA staff in the Gaza HQ gave access to its electricity infrastructure to Hamas between the date of the inspection and the date on which the premises have been evacuated, or Hamas tapped into their electricity infrastructure after the staff has left the premises of the Gaza UNRWA HQ.
That is just about how much time this IDF piece deserves. The thirty thousand dead civillians won't come back now, no matter what happens, with or without Hamas tapping into UNRWA electricity lines.
Meanwhile I'm still waiting here for the Al Shifa Hamas Command Center to be finally unveiled. They've conquered that hospital over two months ago.
"Israeli head of state claims to be doing everything possible to minimize Palestinian civilians"
Just admit you want to kill all Palestinians, Bibi the Big-Eared Butcher.
This article seems to allege electrical and communication cables were run through the ground between the UNRWA headquarters and the tunnel network?
If true they buried the lede here. Idgaf where the tunnels are - when you dig a miles long tunnel, it'll go under a lot of unrelated buildings. If however the headquarters was serving as a communication relay and power supply, then that's pretty damning.
I’ll argue you on the damning part.
If someone illegally, and without your consent, taps into your power lines and steals electricity to run say, a weed grow operation, are you suddenly now affiliated with that drug ring? No, of course not, you weren’t involved and are also a victim
If however you allowed that to happen, that’s a different story. The IDF has a high burden of proof to clear here, especially after their big claims of Al-Shifa and the cemetery fell flat
I checked every basement if every friend around me and in each one I found tunnels and the Hamas headquarters, even though I'm thousands of kilometers away and everything I just wrote is made up. I guess the Israeli military and I have that in common.
Is there some kind of conversion rate? Like each discovered tunnel justifies 1,000 more dead or something?