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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is literally a character named The Senate.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

also the story literally is modeled after multiple governments including the Roman Republic and Nazi Germany

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The original trilogy was more modelled after Vietnam.

Where the Vietnamese analogue were the good guys. If that's not a political statement for a film made in America in the '70s, I dunno what is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think I heard about that influence or perspective, but I can absolutely see it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's something that actually comes directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak, and I myself only came across it in the last year or so. And given the way Lucas uses some fairly direct anti-imperial vocabulary, I'm honestly inclined to believe him when he says it's not just a valid reading, but an intentional creative decision.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One might note that they had a slave race of robots, FTL, and apparently limitless energy for 25k years and yet there's still rampant poverty.

Something seems wrong with an economic system that would create those circumstances and enable the corruption of the political leadership despite literal divine guidance from a galactic gestalt consciousness, I wonder what?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if Lucas were a better writer or the franchise wasn't owned by Disney, I'd love for the Star Wars universe to more deeply explore the socioeconomic systems at play in the Republic

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The books did that. Like the Hutt Empire, and especially those aliens who came in from outside the galaxy, using biotech. Some really top shelf sci-fi authors too.

George Lucas himself overwrote all of that when he resumed his filmmaking, so it's not just Disney that was making it unpopular for people to more deeply care about that fictional universe setting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The robots always really fucked with me. Sentient but hard-wired to serve

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What really gets me is how newer Star Wars media has repeatedly teased dealing with the issue but then drops it before anything interesting happens. In the Solo movie they literally had Lando fall in love with a droid and then fucking murked her. Just like every droid in the universe that starts to think it deserves rights, I guess...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. It makes me think of Asimov’s robot stories, and the Spacer’s ridiculous, harmful over reliance on robots.

[–] winterayars 2 points 1 year ago

Artificial scarcity is a hell of a drug.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

we'll, I just got around to watching it in 2023 myself and I thought it was fucking brilliant. nice new perspective on the Star Wars universe

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Is it really? Well damn.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The entire saga started with a fascist gestapo style leader taking control of a rebel faction's ship, while his boss was dismantling a Galactic Senate and establishing an empire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nah -- you're right. No change needed.