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Rio Verde Foothills is an unincorporated rural community in the wilds of Maricopa County, Arizona. As you may know, Arizona is largely desert, and deserts are well-known for lacking abundant water.

Arizona law requires homebuilders in active management areas to secure a reliable source of water expected to last at least a hundred years. However, there’s a loophole: the law only applies to subdivisions of six homes or more. You can guess what some clever developers do: they simply build lots of “subdivisions” each consisting of only five homes.

These so-called “wildcat” communities are all over the state. They’re miniature havens of freedom, perfect for stubbornly independent libertarians who want to get out from under the thumb of government bureaucrats telling them where they can and can’t live. Rio Verde Foothills is one such.

But then they made an awful discovery. It turns out, even when you find a way to skirt regulations about water… humans still need water .

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is it because society is an invention of human cooperation and a ruthless backstabbing market approach only works insofar as the rest of society is willing to subsidize it for convenience's sake?

Where have Rio Verde Foothills’ inhabitants been getting water to drink, wash and brush their teeth? They’ve been doing what libertarians usually do: they rely on other people who planned better than they did.

Yep.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Takers gonna take.

It's part of why we have government. And laws. And courts. Some people aren't interested in playing fair.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do they not sell bootstraps in these shitholes?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

That sounds like some commie talk if you’re expecting the gooberment to just sell bootstraps to anyone who wants them. A real libertarian would demand that the gooberment isn’t allowed to sell bootstraps, start their own bootstrap company, and only sell to their friends (because it turns out they can’t actually secure enough local resources to produce enough bootstraps for the whole community,) at 100x the cost of what the gooberment does.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know, if libertarians could comprehend what they read and think logically about things, they’d be very upset.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Most actual libertarians would never claim to be one. The easiest way to find out if someone is actually libertarian or not. Is to listen if they talk about personal freedom. Personal freedom doesn't exist. It's called privilege. No freedoms but social freedoms. Also listen to their positions on business and government. If they don't hold similar disdain for large corporations as they do large government. They aren't libertarian.

Bonus round. If they plan to vote that should cast doubt on if they're libertarian. But if they say they plan to vote for a libertarian. It means that they and the person they plan to vote for 100% aren't.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's kind of amazing that the domination and expense of regulations and taxes is unbearable, but the domination of water being scarce and expensive just could not have been anticipated

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Really? No one could anticipate water being scarce in the desert?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Yeah, it's really surprising

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Well, there wasn't anything about it in the brochure, so no.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Damn.. if they could read, this thread would be an absolute dumpster fire in the comments

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Libertarians all run their own instances and don't federate with anyone else because they demand to be paid for their contributions.

Which is why they're all on Xitter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Real libertarians, yes.

This kind, no. They're busy retweeting fascists on Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I've seen a few fake libertarians here. But yeah thankfully they haven't felt welcome.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is really satisfying to read

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Is it as satisfying as the one town that got overrun with bears?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

I only came here to bring up the bears

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] winterayars 10 points 7 months ago

Love seeing Right-Libertarians try to "well actually" this one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

After a rash of lawsuits from Free Towners, an influx of sex offenders, an increase of crime, problems with bold local bears, and the first murders in the town's history, the Libertarian project ended in 2016.

Huh. Who would have thought.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

OMG, how have I missed this fascinating story? Thank you for sharing!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

What a cool title.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Yes, in that it includes the town with bears story and more!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How does that quote go again?

Libertarians are like housecats: fiercely convinced of their independence while completely relying on a system they neither understand nor appreciate.

Something like that, at least.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The "I hate you, mom!!!" of political ideologies.