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I mean why are you even surprised (lemmy.world)

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[-] [email protected] 130 points 6 months ago

I've always thought if they just showed a bit of encouragement to him he would have been fine.

You're not master - yet. But don't worry, you will be, it's a process. Listen Anakin, I know it seems like a long thing, and you are doing a great job, but everyone goes through this. I went through it....

Instead he just got "You are not qualified. Sit down".

[-] [email protected] 61 points 6 months ago

Equally, I don't think Anakin would have lost his shit on Mustafar if he didn't look up and see Obi-Wan standing at the top of the ramp in the ship like an utter bad bitch.

[-] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago

Although at that point he had already murdered children

[-] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago

“Allegedly”

Those holorecordings could have been deepfaked by the Jedi council to turn everyone against Anakin.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why...would anyone do that? What base does this idea come from?

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

Darth Jar Jar, meesa thinks

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

meesa bombbad sith

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Who among us has not had that urge

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Urge?? Well.... I missed the memo

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Let's put that aside now, that is not important.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Almost the entire point of the prequels is that the Jedi are horrible.

So, yeah. That's how they do it.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I feel like Obi Wan wasnt like them but also wasnt in a position to argue with others lile Windu in EP 2 and 3.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I know, took a couple watchthroughs to get it at first but this was their own arrogance really showing. They couldn't be bothered just to show a bit of encouragement.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I find it really interesting how bad heroes on movies have to be completely over the top and people still mostly don't get them.

In a book Anakin could be broken by the Jedi radicalism even if everybody acted humane. But I guess a movie couldn't have enough time for this.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I think he didn't get that encouragement because they didn't believe it.

[-] Jinn 10 points 6 months ago

Yeah, from Episode I Windu and Yoda were doubting that Anakin was the Chosen One.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Tbf, that shouldn't be a qualifier for Ani to be on his way to a Jedi master. Yoda should've shadowed him more to balance out all his war experience

[-] Jinn 4 points 6 months ago

I'm not saying that he should automatically be Jedi Master but he should have been treated better. Windu was especially hostile with him several times in the movies.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

they failed him for sure but everyone is responsible for their own actions

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Terrible parents are more likely to raise terrible off-spring.

And if you are starved of emotional closeness to a father/mother figure and get manipulated by bad influences like Sidious who is most likely a master in manipulation and gas lighting and have way too much power in the force...Pretty easy to land on the wrong track.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

are you implying Shmi was a terrible parent?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The later part after Shmi.
I'd believe her death really made all things fall together.
If the council rescued her from Tatooine and safeguarded her, this wouldnt have happened as it did.

As I only partially know the lore from the movies, did Anakin really have someone to talk to except for Sidious, Obiwan and Padme?
I'd bet as Sisdious being very good as a politician he'd also be excellent at manipulating the low level psyche of Anakin.

Please correct me if I got some lore part wrong as I do enjoy the discussions about SW lore.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Meme goodness aside, if you want an analytical look at the psychology of Anakin, check out this video.

If you want a super deep dive on the philosophy behind Jedi thought (which is at the core of Star Wars as George Lucas framed a lot it from his experience as a Buddhist) take a look at this YouTube video. I've never heard a more complete explanation of the star wars universe and it addresses a lot of the superficial criticisms people direct towards the Jedi and general stance the movies take on good and bad.

As a secondary plug, for any who played the RPG Knights of the Old Republic II, here is an awesome breakdown of the Kreia character by the same creator. Not just interesting from the perspective of fans of the game, but philosophy in general.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks for these! Looks like I have some videos to watch...

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I watched that Kreia video a couple of years ago and loved every second, really good.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Seriously, it's rare for me to be so engrossed in something that I'll sit through a 2 hour video, but with this one I was legitimately sad when it ended 😄

[-] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago

The Jedi just didn’t give enough hugs.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 6 months ago

Yeah, for a religion that was about kindness and good, they showed a remarkable lack of empathy.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

...

So like all religions?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Interesting choice of image for the point, a man using the power of Jeeeeeeeeesus to fight an egomaniacal vampire/demon.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

This line just came to mind because Drac said "Perhaps the same could be said of all religions..." just before (in response to the accusation that he steals men's souls and makes them his slaves).

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The best line come after.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Ooh I'm going to watch all of these.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

Wow this feels like victim blaming... ;)

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