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just so this doesn't overwhelm our front page too much, i think now's a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let's try to keep what's happening in this thread instead of across 10.

developments to this point:

The Verge is on it as usual, also--here's their latest coverage (h/t @[email protected]):

other media coverage:

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Reddit just feels dirty to me now, not in a good dirty way... Just dirty, I want nothing to do with it. I see no coming back from this even if the backlash leads to Reddit reversing the decisions. Kind of new the IPO would do something like this. Looking forward to seeing this place bloom.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I predict that as the blackout goes into full swing, Reddit is going to start taking over major subreddits from their mods to keep the site going. Things are going to become ugly very fast.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We've all said for years that we've seen a slow decline but never knew when it was time to leave. Now all of a sudden here we have the giant sign saying "We've gone full corporate and don't care about the users anymore"

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I think this reply by spez has been badly overlooked:

“the LLM explosion put all Reddit data use at the forefront”.

What he means here is that earlier this year the board realised they were sitting on a massive gold mine, and their single focus right now is to exploit that as ruthlessly as possible. Jacking up the prices to access Reddit data to eye-watering levels is intended to fleece desperate AI bros, and this may well be the only revenue stream Reddit cares about in the future.

The fact that they have put no thought or care into managing the damage that this does to third party apps and to their own reputation with the Reddit user base tells me something else too. Why bother being a good custodian of a community website that has never made a profit, when you could live off selling access to one of the largest bodies of good quality human-generated text-based content out there?

Do they even care if Reddit goes to shit in the future? Maybe not, especially now we are beginning to realise how easy it is for careful bots to poison the conversations with AI-generated replies.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's going to become a barren wasteland of bots communicating with each other.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Haha, you just reminded me of this cartoon:

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 years ago (6 children)

In my opinion, we're reaching a moment where people are realizing that having lots of users doesn't matter that much if you can't monetize them. We took a lot of services for granted that maybe don't make any financial sense, which probably only survived because both the company and investors hoped that as long you could attract users, you could monetize them later.

I think that "later" is now.

Today I noticed that youtube has a new feature that unlocks more bitrate, but only for premium users (there's two 1080p options, one normal and another with more bitrate). I'm expecting that these social medias and other tech companies will try to monetize us further

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Yeah exactly. I think what we need is decentralization and a move back to smaller hobbyist message boards - the costs of running such communities is more sustainable for individual owners and they are not so big that their owners would look to sell them out.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Something that seems to be missing: Someone is working on an API compatibility/translation layer to help in porting reddit apps to lemmy and have already got some basic features working in RedReader. The RedReader (opensource Android reddit client) dev has expressed some interest in this along with the user base.

https://v.redd.it/xzvh8kih8d4b1

https://github.com/derivator/tafkars

https://feddit.de/c/tafkars

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've been tangentially involved in this. I think if any of the bigger instance operators were to contact derivator to see what can be done to host a gateway, that would really help.

Since it's a proxy you'd want a reliable entity to host it, who you trust with your credentials. And the only entities who currently make sense would be the lemmy instance owners themselves. Eg. if I'm already connecting to beehaw.org or lemmy.world, I would be okay to point apollo or baconreader to redditapi.beehaw.org.

See here for a list of how people can help: https://github.com/derivator/tafkars/tree/main/tafkars-lemmy

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Sharing this because it should be shared

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This was the moment that cemented my choice to move away from Reddit. My plan initially was to see how the blackouts would play out, but this showed even more clearly than the initial thread about Apollo's woes with Reddit just how garbage the decision-making at Reddit is.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I've been getting used to lemmy for the last couple days, going back and forth between here and reddit and following what's going on, and I think I just realized something that I hadn't been able to put into words.

The lemmy community feels responsive and fun to talk to, and I think that's because the people who are coming here from reddit are the people who are motivated to communicate, and are people who care about the topics in each community. That's pretty cool.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I keep sitting here waiting for Reddit to backtrack. But it keeps not happening.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Reddit isn't going back. Even if they did I'm sure they just convinced multiple users to not go back. I hope the blackout and tons of users moving will have a big enough impact to devalue Reddit even if somewhat.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

There was a response on the AMA where u/spez said "Reddit would always be profit driven and currently does not make a profit. Unlike TP apps"

You can no longer see this on the Reddit app, it is obscured in someway. Perhaps because of the potential impact for the IPO?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He is essentially saying, "we are unable to make a profit, so our plan is to use someone else's profit to make money."

What I think he's going for is sympathy points, but he did not read that back lol

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

I’m glad at least one site is taking off the kid gloves with the title.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (4 children)

While tangentially related, if this shouldnt be here, let me know.

Reddit also appears to be experimenting with disabling mobile web access to circumvent ads.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They really want to cram those hegetsus ads down people's throats. I hope everyone migrates away to different options. Leave them holding turds.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Wow. Spez is doubling down on attacking the Apollo dev. You'd think spez was new to reddit with the way he's commenting.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lol. This sounds like a dig at spez.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The active mod team of r/videos (nearly 27M subscribers) has agreed that their shutdown will now be permanent. https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/145vns0/the_future_of_rvideos/

In a tildes post (I’m riding a lot of horses right now) one of the mods said:

I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.

[Edit: just seen that’s there’s a top level post on this too]

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

No way Reddit is going to be able to replace so many mods on so many subs that deal with so many millions of users. They can try, but that doesn't mean it will work.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Well, the AMA was a shining success…

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The way that guy gaslit the Appolo dev, and doubles down that the Appolo dev is the bad guy. Even though the recording is clear that the reddit ceo is straight up lying. Imaging working with, or having to interact with someone who so easily lies like that. Shameless

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s hilarious really. Christian has the fucking receipts. Spez can say what he wants, but it’s meaningless drivel.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also, I just looked into the AMA and....he only gave 14 answers 🙄

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I just don't get how a site based on freely produced content thst employs volunteer mods can actually monetise.

That part just gets me. The site has nothing without the users and the users have nothing without the mods.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I love how the AMA has 0 points. You down vote it and it comes back to 0. No manipulation there reddit. Just that alone shows what a disgrace that company is.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I don't think posts on reddit ever actually show less than 0 points no matter how many downvotes they get. Comments do, but posts always bottom out at 0 as far as I know.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This whole situation feels like a short term revenue grab. I bet shareholders are trying to inflate the numbers in order to cash out in the IPO.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

what blew my mind, and the minds of many other people on reddit is that they (reddit) have 2,000 employees and yet still can't piece together a good and accessible experience for their users...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No matter how many developers you get, you're never going to have a good product if the guy calling the shots won't allow it. I'm confident that the developers working on Reddit probably know damn well that their product is trash and there's nothing they can do about it because their job isn't "make a good site" its "do what your boss tells you to do"

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

With how vast the third-party ecosystem is, one would have imagined a full year countdown but it's become obvious that this is nothing more than digital gentrification, one that kicks out the very people who gave it the spirit that is being monetized into an IPO.

Those 30 days were meant to break the ecosystem.

EDIT: Grammar

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm hanging on to my account until June 30th—so I can say a bittersweet goodbye to Reddit is Fun—and then I'm deleting it; Reddit is only going to get worse from here, and I don't want to be around to see it. I'm grateful that this mess has driven so many of us to seek out kinder, more thoughtful communities, and I hope said communities can retain their exceptional cultures as the Reddit exodus continues to escalate.

Here's a link to Cory Doctorow's article on the 'enshittification' of TikTok, which reads as supremely relevant here.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (7 children)

RedReader has been granted a non-commercial accessibility exemption and will not shut down. QuantumBadger is planning long term changes to support Lemmy, HackerNews, and Tild.es alongside Reddit in the same app.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sync for Reddit is also shutting down on June 30th.

ReddPlanet also announced closure on June 30th.

Reddit creates API exemption for noncommercial accessibility apps (Ehhhh, grain of salt on this one. I'm getting a lot of conflicting reports.)

Relay is also out.

EDITS: fixed Sync names, added ReddPlanet. Will keep adding as I see them.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I'm out. Redact is busy just now deleting everything under my account.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's simply disappointing to see the disaster for the AMA. Saddens me to see Reddit go down like this. At least we got the Lemmy-proxy being a community project. Would love to still use Infinity as my main "reddit" browsing app, after all.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

Hacker News: Reddit bans subreddit detailing how to move to competitor Kbin

KbinMigration Subreddit URL: https://old.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration

Hacker News Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36268458

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The “non-commercial” requirement to exempt third party accessibility apps is extremely underhanded and not being talked about enough.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I am wondering if, based on this horrible AMA, if subs are going to either blackout early, or decide that 48 hours won't really do anything so they opt to go indefinitely.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder how much backtracking will be done. Are they going to listen to the concerns of the community or are they going to double down on their decisions?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My guess - zero backtracking

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (7 children)

From how the AMA went, it sure seems that way. Funny how they just agreed to fuck over Apollo, but are working with the other apps, especially after blatantly lying about the situation. What a mess.

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