I have a few questions about these videos. Are the soldiers aware of the drones above them? Are these drones small and quiet enough that you wouldn't notice them unless you were actively looking for them? Why are all these soldiers lying flat? It seems like that makes them much more exposed to these drone-grenade attacks.

Sorry if these questions have obvious answers. I am very ignorant about ground combat and drone warfare, just trying to learn.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Drones are fairly loud, you can hear them unless they are a few hundred feet up if your hearing isn't damaged and there isn't a lot of ambient noise. In this case the drone is tens of feet up, so they could see and hear it.

With how poorly trained and how they are kept in a state of fatigue, the Russians have two options; wait to die and end their misery or run and die tired.

You can see the guy in the background just sitting there waiting for his turn. He isn't shooting at the drone, he is just waiting for one hell to end.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're cleary aware there's drones above, yes. They seems exhausted, we don't know for how long they're under attack but fatigue plays it's role. They also don't have any counter-measure, and are not trained to act a certain way.

Without good fortifications hiding you from the enemy sight, there's actually not much you can do to protect yourself. At some point it's just every man for himself. You can always give away your mate position, as we can see here, it only works for a brief moment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Wasn't there a longer video of this and the guy who gave away this guy gets killed as well?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the guy in the trench was trying to play dead. Doesn't seem to be any cover around, and the drone could easily have followed him if he moved

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Why not move though when the grenade dropped on his head?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

That was particularly brutal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Shrapnel and his own teeth.

[–] Ghyste 6 points 10 months ago

The back of his skull from what I could see.

[–] ALERT 4 points 10 months ago

❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

One shot! Gotta go to a higher location

[+] [email protected] -10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Killing people who are cowering in fear is not a good look. Maybe it has to be done, surrender isn't possible, idk. But Posting the video is not going to make the attackers look like the good guys.

[–] hydrashok 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe then they should fuck off back home to Russia and it wouldn’t be a problem.

Surrender, leave, or die.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I agree with you and agree that, sadly, this is what war looks like. But you're wrong on one point: the Russian soldiers don't have a choice. Their government is at fault. Yes, it has to be done. Yes, they killed many Ukrainian civilians. But they were conscripted and given the option to fight, or face capital charges (which likely means death). Did this soldier personally deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. But it had to be done.

[–] hydrashok 14 points 10 months ago

I agree. It’s shit and I’ve become desensitized to things like this.

But they do have a choice, and that is one of surrender. If this soldier had put up a white flag, he would be alive today. Instead he chose to eat a grenade.

I have a hard time coming to terms psychologically with the latter part of your post, personally, about whether this particular soldier deserved what happened. As a human being, of course not, all should have the opportunity to be free and flourish. But as an extension of his government’s warpath lunacy, yes, he did.

At the end of the day, the ultimate blame, and the person for whom these poor people are dying, falls to Putin, but the choice is ultimately still up to the individual soldier: surrender, leave, or die.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

People keep pretending like the Russian government is completely separate from Russians. Somehow they've just always managed to end up with incredibly brutal and violent governments over the past few hundred years, but the poor poor little Russians are never at fault for that.

Fuck them, and fuck that attitude.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about civilians or militants?

If you talking about civilians, the problem with your logic is that everyone is complicit some way or another.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are complicit, just like Germans were before WW II.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The thing is, eroupe still get energy from Russia. Which means Eroupe is complicit. Along with companies that sells electronics and other equipment needed to create and launch missile. These electronics and other military resources comes from deals with China.

Nato and Eroupe and many other countries deal with China which basically support Russia directly.

So where do you draw the line of separation between miltant government and civilians.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

It is entirely Russia fault. Russia is purposeful using the meat wave tactic. Ukraine has no other choice than killing all Russian on its territory, or cease to exist. I fully support the first.

Russian soldiers can die in Ukraine, or fight for themselves in Russia. No one can help them but themselves. They had a opportunity when wagner made a move. They didn't take it.

Don't mistaken me: these deaths are horrible. I don't watch these videos because of how horrible it is. But this is war. Russia is doing the same, but they don't have any good reason to do it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So they should kill their authorities who send them to another country to kill, rape, and torture civilians.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Sorry, but they really do have a choice. They could choose to face those capital charges, and risk dying without killing others first. They could choose to attempt to surrender or desert, and risk being killed without causing harm to others. They could choose to turn their guns on their conscription officer, or other commanders (as some have done) and likely die while fighting to protect others.

They made a choice to risk their life in an attempt to kill innocents. They could have chosen to risk it while protecting them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fuck those Russian bastards.

Russian bastards who shot captured Ukrainian soldiers lived less than half an hour after their crime. Soldiers of the Armed Forces avenged their brothers. The bodies of the vilely killed Ukrainian soldiers were evacuated and handed over to their relatives for burial. The soldiers of the 82nd separate amphibious assault brigade turned out to be dead.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/7393530

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I understand your point, but they are showing no mercy and they did sign up for exactly this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

It's not a good look. It's war. War is as ugly as human behavior gets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It's sad, but these people are in someone else's home with the intent to kill. What else are they supposed to do? Ask them nicely to leave? They already did