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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Watches video

quiet contemplative construction

gets on bike for test drive

CLANG CLANG CLANG!!! GRINDING GEAR SOUNDS!! CLANG CLAG KAAAALLLLNNNNNNNNGGGG!!!!

My ears! 😭

[–] PsychedSy 3 points 11 months ago

Shitload of tire sounds, too.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“Do you like nails on a chalkboard? Well do I have a bike for you!”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Gotta give the dudes credit for a really nicely made video. And I wonder how many hours were in welding and screwing this tracks together.

They clearly dido this for fun/video content, so I’m not mad, but they shoulda added some chain guides (like engine timing chains have), or at least filled the steel tubing with foam maybe.

[–] fsxylo 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"What if we had worse bike?"

[–] DudeImMacGyver 8 points 11 months ago

Big "just because I can" energy

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cool that the guy made something original but fuck all of that. It does not look like it can take miles of hard work.

[–] DudeImMacGyver 3 points 11 months ago

He just does crazy stuff like this for fun

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Dumb? Dumb. No improvement, only less comfort, less speed, much more noise.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

I kinda love how insanely stupid this is. It makes no sense but this man made it anyways and I think that’s beautiful.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't know if I'm blind or what, but I couldn't find the link to the video in the article so here you go https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5b0DKfhPc4

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Like gliding on chainsaws

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not that you asked, but I recently installed the Redirector extension for Firefox and have all YouTube links automatically redirected to an Invidious instance. I also have it set to redirect amp urls.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ooh, I like that. I'm gonna check it out, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Literally reinventing the wheel

[–] DudeImMacGyver 1 points 11 months ago

What is a tread but an overly complicated wheel?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One of the "side effects" of a round wheel is holding the bike vertical. I wonder how awful this is to balance on too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I though this was a result of angled front wheel that turns into whatever direction the bike is leaning to, making it self-correcting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The spinning wheels act as a gyroscope, and resist falling over.
That's why it's easier to stay upright when moving than it is when stopped

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

If you made a bike with a vertical head tube or negative head tube angle, it would not be stable at all. Gyroscope effects are minor in the mechanics of bicycles.

https://road.cc/content/feature/bike-geometry-101-learn-why-frame-angles-trail-matter-267512

There's a few geometric parameters that influence straight line tracking. Try holding a bike by the head tube and move it very slowly forward. Gyroscopic effects are negligible at such speeds. Yet, you should notice that if you lean the bike left, the front wheel turns left and vice versa. This is due to the geometry of how the front tire pivots. Since the front wheel turns in the direction that the frame leans, as the bike rolls forward, the centerline of the tire contact patches moves in the direction of the lean restoring the frame to vertical. The reason it is more stable and smooth at high speeds is that the contact point of the front tire moves faster with speed. That makes for smaller deviations from vertical.

A big part of learning to ride a bike is actually learning to countersteer before turns. Suppose you want to turn right. If you start the turn by turning your handlebars to the right, the wheelbase will move to the right and the frame will lean left. Without a quick correction, the rider will topple over the left of the bike. New riders have to train their brains to instead initially turn a little to the left to establish a rightward lean before they can start the turn. Then at the end of the turn, the rider oversteers to get the wheels back under their center of mass before pointing the wheel straight again. This can be easily seen if you ride on a sandy gravel. Make a few turns then look at the track that the tires make.

All this is to say that the biggest factor in stability is that a lean naturally turns the front wheel toward the direction of lean. Traveling forward moves the tires back under the rider restoring a vertical alignment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Gyroscopic effects are almost non-existent at bicycle wheel speed. It's the rake of the front wheel that keeps a bike upright while in motion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

The same is true about my hypothesis. It only works in motion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Wait till you see his Slipper Bike AKA

de Pantoffelfiets

[–] DudeImMacGyver 2 points 11 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's not completely wheel-less, but it does appear to have tracks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It looks like a Bike Party kind of bike. Bike parties are events where the city’s bike community can come together. At least out here, they publish the path for that night’s ride, and then the bicyclists will basically take the lane with a kind of parade of weird bikes lit up with LED lights, playing music, and socializing. In several cities around me, it’s a year round monthly event, and homeowners along the route will frequently come out to see the bikes and wave to the riders. This is where you’ll see people pulling out their pennyfarthings and other weird bikes. I could definitely see this used for that kind of thing.

There’s a square wheel bike that I think is similar in terms of the use cases.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In a different orientation, I think this could possibly work as a snow bike!

[–] DudeImMacGyver 3 points 11 months ago

I've seen an ebike rear wheel replacement that is literally just treads for riding in the snow. I think I'll just stick with thick tires but it's still a neat idea.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Is this the same dude that made a square-wheeled bike?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Do you want the ultimate tracked experience? Do you want the bicycle equivalent of a mechanical keyboard? Do you like all things tanks? Well, we have the vehicle for you!

[–] mindbleach 1 points 11 months ago

This stupid thing might be useful if you could adjust the contact surface with the road by changing the angle of the... not-wheels. Like if it could go from pinpoint contact for low rolling resistance (ignoring all the other resistance) to several square feet of tread on the ground for gliding across sand.